M14 vs Garand

tiriaq said:
Shorter sight radius, if that is a concern.
Bit less velocity, if that matters.
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Those are kind of a given.

I vaguely remember hearing something about complicating disassembly, and I'm wonder how much it effects the sight settings vs a 22"?
 
870P said:
Those are kind of a given.

I vaguely remember hearing something about complicating disassembly, and I'm wonder how much it effects the sight settings vs a 22"?
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With any adjustable sight like that, you'll have to develop the elevation settings for the ammunition you are using.
 
I have a M-1 and a worked over M305. TRW bolt, Boyds stock, op. rod guide, etc.
Biggest advantage of the M305 is being able to easily mount an optic.
 
Travis Bickle said:
They were both great rifles in their time and place all things considered.
But we're getting confused here again. We're debating merits on a battlefield as a soldier carrying these things instead of merits in the hands of your average joe casual hobby shooter in Canada like the OP is inquiring right?
If I was a USGI and the DoD was handing me infinite amounts of tailor made .30 Cal M2 ball ammo and a free Garand to shoot I'd be all over having one in my locker next to my M305.
But that's a loooong way away from buying one on the civilian market in 2017 in Canada and feeding it out of your pocket when you feel like some target shooting.
I'm also a cheap pragmatic bastard though.
And for that primary reason alone, Travis Bickle rocks an M305! :rockOn:
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you are not alone ;)
 
Travis Bickle said:
The Garand En Bloc system is retarded. I'm sorry. There I said it. I'm not a fan boy of either design here either I have no vested interest lol It's just goofy. That's why it was never used again anywhere in any design that mattered half a shred. Take a step back and think about it for a second.
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I thought about it for a second, first thing that came to mind was the Bofors which is still in use today....I think it predates Garand.

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I have to wonder if even the WW2 U.S. could have produced enough detachable magazines for the Garand, had they gone that route?

It seems like many widely issued box mag guns of the era were only issued with only a minimal number of magazines, unless we're talking commandos or shock troops, leaving it up to the soldier to acquire more by whatever means.

In that light, perhaps it was better to give your standard riflemen lots of en-bloc clips than a limited number of magazines that they'd soon be stuck loading with 5 round clips?
 
870P said:
I have to wonder if even the WW2 U.S. could have produced enough detachable magazines for the Garand, had they gone that route?

It seems like many widely issued box mag guns of the era were only issued with only a minimal number of magazines, unless we're talking commandos or shock troops, leaving it up to the soldier to acquire more by whatever means.

In that light, perhaps it was better to give your standard riflemen lots of en-bloc clips than a limited number of magazines that they'd soon be stuck loading with 5 round clips?
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Melvin Johnson didn't like the enblock clips either,as a matter of fact he did not like the M1 design,so he set out to design a rifle that functioned on a recoiling barrel to unlock the bolt instead of gas operation.(model Johnson M1941.)
That of course has its pros and cons,but the rotary magazine he incorporated was quite innovative,holds 10 rounds,can be loaded with stripper clips or individual cartridges and here is the
best feature,it can be topped off at any time with single rounds or stripper clips without even opening the action.So as long as you have ammo you can always have a full magazine without having to stop firing.
 
M1-Garand said:
Melvin Johnson didn't like the enblock clips either,as a matter of fact he did not like the M1 design,so he set out to design a rifle that functioned on a recoiling barrel to unlock the bolt instead of gas operation.(model Johnson M1941.)
That of course has its pros and cons,but the rotary magazine he incorporated was quite innovative,holds 10 rounds,can be loaded with stripper clips or individual cartridges and here is the
best feature,it can be topped off at any time with single rounds or stripper clips without even opening the action.So as long as you have ammo you can always have a full magazine without having to stop firing.
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Yeah but he kind of ripped the mag idea from the Krag...
 
870P said:
I'm also looking at more modern NR options, but to me the M1 and M14 platforms are a safe place to "park a choice."
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Same here. I can appreciate black guns, but my wood M14's have a really nice balance and harmony to them. I always thought of the Garand as an older generation's rifle. (and I'm too wimpy to carry it)
 
Hitzy said:
There were some Lever Arms SKS that did that. Never heard of an M14 that did it.
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there was a guy on here a bunch of years ago that claimed his barrel (standard length m305/m14s) flew off, cracking off at the receiver. No pictures were ever posted to prove the event but the guy trolled a lot of posts with his story in the early days. Otherwise, I've never heard of it happening either.
 
45ACPKING said:
there was a guy on here a bunch of years ago that claimed his barrel (standard length m305/m14s) flew off, cracking off at the receiver. No pictures were ever posted to prove the event but the guy trolled a lot of posts with his story in the early days. Otherwise, I've never heard of it happening either.
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I wonder if the barrel hit the target
 
Overall the M14 is a matured M1 Garand design. It's stronger, more durable and has an automatic adjustable gas system. You can beat the m1 Garand magazine capacity by two rounds with AIA m10 mags for your m1a. So there's no real reason to get an M1 Garand unless you're a history buff like I am....
 
KB_TheDireWolf said:
Overall the M14 is a matured M1 Garand design. It's stronger, more durable and has an automatic adjustable gas system. You can beat the m1 Garand magazine capacity by two rounds with AIA m10 mags for your m1a. So there's no real reason to get an M1 Garand unless you're a history buff like I am....
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Don't forget about the cheap ammo by comparison Sir ;)

To be honest and not to take this thread into dark strange places but with all the utter horse#### and disappointment going on with the last two big important .30 Cal rifles to hit the market in Canada very recently, I have never been so fond of my good old trusty M305 in all my days of owning her lol :D
 
Travis Bickle said:
Don't forget about the cheap ammo by comparison Sir ;)

To be honest and not to take this thread into dark strange places but with all the utter horse#### and disappointment going on with the last two big important .30 Cal rifles to hit the market in Canada very recently, I have never been so fond of my good old trusty M305 in all my days of owning her lol :D
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He was asking specifically about 308 M1 Garand's. Personally, if I could get one at the right price I would buy a 308 M1 over an M305 in a heartbeat.
 
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If I went M14, I was originally thinking of getting a build done on a Norinco reciever, but by the time all's said and I done I'd be a price point where I might want to start looking at a complete U.S forged reciever gun.
 
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