M1895 Nagant

gewehr76 said:
Well again apples and oranges comparison here. This thread is about m1895 not colts or weblies.
Again m1895 is the only revolver with which gate loading on #### can be safely done in firefight. Cartridge is the answer and gas seal is the key. It can be fired with hands around the cylinder.
If you try to do it with the most famous revolver of all time, youd blow your own fingers off while replacing cartridges.
M1895 wins hands down.
Compact and effective m1895 is what doctor ordered for russian army.
Its service record is well known and id take it to shoot paper any day with me
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There are better loading designs for revolvers in the same era, in particular designs like the 1898 Rast Gasser, and the 1892 French revolver. Your argument that you can reload with keeping the gun cocked, is kinda pointless. You could only reload one round, and then have to drop the hammer without firing it, recock it, then stick another round in it. The 1898 for example even had a larger capacity on top of being a easier to load design.

Nagant Revolvers are cool, however there were better designs in the same era, and if you waited a couple years you could have significantly better revolver designs. The only reason it stuck around so long is the Russians don't throw anything out, and they were unable to produce enough TT-33s to replace them. Plus the fact side arms are rarely actually used in combat, so replacing things like rifles make much more sense.
 
gewehr76 said:
Well again apples and oranges comparison here. This thread is about m1895 not colts or weblies.
Again m1895 is the only revolver with which gate loading on #### can be safely done in firefight. Cartridge is the answer and gas seal is the key. It can be fired with hands around the cylinder.
If you try to do it with the most famous revolver of all time, youd blow your own fingers off while replacing cartridges.
M1895 wins hands down.
Compact and effective m1895 is what doctor ordered for russian army.
Its service record is well known and id take it to shoot paper any day with me
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That about sums it up IMO. Something that it excels at.
And yeah, I'm trolling...my bad. Spank me with a spoon...or perhaps an 1895 Nagant...about the same, no?:nest:
 
I have one and if you use it single action it's not bad. I was lucky and picked up a mint 1944 when they were cheap. Definitely one of my keepers.
 
Well better designs or not its debateable. Not everyone in soviet army liked tt33 either, for example tank corps complained that they can't shoot Nazis through armour ports with tt33 due to its slide is too big and reciprocating while nagant fits perfectly through armor. Plus no ejected casings to jam up T34 turret gears. Pointless or not that's why they kept m1895 in service.

However you don't need to decock in order to open the gate and eject spent casing on m1895, and its never pointless when you have a loaded round in the cylinder aligned with your barrel ready to go. Reloading sequence can be started after 2 shots and cocked on 3rd round. First fired round can be ejected and replaced with live one. which gives you 6 loaded ones at all time. When 3rd fired, gun is cocked on 4th then 2nd fired case can be ejected and replaced with new one. This sequence is repeated due to clock wise rotation of the cylinder.
And this may come to all of you as a shock, but M1895 can be suppressed as well. Can your Colt or Rast gasser do that?
M don't think so.
M1985 wins hands down in supressing game as well.

Eaglelord17 said:
There are better loading designs for revolvers in the same era, in particular designs like the 1898 Rast Gasser, and the 1892 French revolver. Your argument that you can reload with keeping the gun cocked, is kinda pointless. You could only reload one round, and then have to drop the hammer without firing it, recock it, then stick another round in it. The 1898 for example even had a larger capacity on top of being a easier to load design.

Nagant Revolvers are cool, however there were better designs in the same era, and if you waited a couple years you could have significantly better revolver designs. The only reason it stuck around so long is the Russians don't throw anything out, and they were unable to produce enough TT-33s to replace them. Plus the fact side arms are rarely actually used in combat, so replacing things like rifles make much more sense.
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I appreciate the historical value of it and, as a matter of fact, it is very accurate gun when fired in s/a mode. I am lucky to own a 1915 dated single action only and 1939 Tula da/sa revolvers and I admire it's design and appearance.
 
dimon said:
I appreciate the historical value of it and, as a matter of fact, it is very accurate gun when fired in s/a mode. I am lucky to own a 1915 dated single action only and 1939 Tula da/sa revolvers and I admire it's design and appearance.
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All of this is true. The history is very interesting and the revolvers absolutely have a place in any Russian collection. The fact they stayed in service for so long is also quite impressive.

When I stated that they are a terrible revolver (they are) earlier I neglected to touch on those points and it was an error on my part. Worth having for sure but when you shoot it for the first time you may very well be disappointed.
 
I'm going to agree with the surpressed version. It is uniquely designed and one upside is it surpress's quite well. Gonna give it that, and it does seem well designed abet too well designed. Lot of small parts and 18 individual steps to field strip?
Want to guess what seems to be the simplest pistol? Walther PP; 5 basic pieces and 3 steps to field strip...wow!
The French 1892 seems to be a wonderfully simple and well thought out revolver, much less individual pieces and fewer steps to field strip as well.
It would be a unique piece for a Russian collector though, I can recall them being for sale. The unique and rare ammo held me back though.
 
Average officer in Russian army had no business taking his issued nagant revolver apart. For regular cleaning, cylinder removal is all that was required unless it was dragged through the mud, then yes. If something mechanical is damaged then they would send it to armory. In the manual they state that repeated disassembly and reassembly causes unnecessary wear so should be avoided.
However if it needs deep cleaning all you need to do is unscrew the side plate and the guts are exposed so diesel fuel dunk is all that needed.
Russian/Soviet officers would use their m1895 only few times a year to qualify for promotion or during exercises. All they had to do is shoot 4 rounds at 15cm diameter target at 25 meters. If 3 out of 4 shots hit the target then its judged that revolver is acceptably accurate and officer is competent in its use. Back in holster it goes, cleaning etc later.
 
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Bringing up an old thread with a few photos I found in my films when I scanned them.
This is in the soviet army somewhere around 1967-68. The soldiers wearing insignia of the military communication squad.
Interesting Nagant, never saw something like this one.

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Mts-4 (МЦ-4) - see post 12 here

gunboards.com/threads/russian-and-soviet-nagant-target-revolvers.196918/

I have seen a number of them in the US but not here.
 
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