M1919 and M2

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Hello everybody

In my search for ar-10 blueprints for the other thread, I have stumbled across COMPLETE (right down to the springs) blueprints for Browning M1919 and M2 .50 BMG. These also include plans for semi-auto versions.

The only catch is it will cost me a bit of money to get them

This could potentially mean Norinco semi-auto clones

interested?
 
Just a comment wrt the 1919... Didn't Alberta Tactical Rifle put together a semi 1919 which was identical to the non-restricted TNW? And didn't the RCMP Firearms Lab conclude that the ATR 1919 was a converted auto? I tried looking for the thread discussing this, but didn't find it...

Essentially, the two semi 1919's were IDENTICAL side by side, and yet one was considered 'okay' & the other was not... Just something to think about...

Cheers
Jay
 
While we are discussing new-manufacture semi only beltfeds, does anyone have a lead on tech drawings for the Russian Maxim PM1910?
That is the gun in my avatar.
I found some prints elsewhere, but always on the lookout for more info
http://www.weaponsguild.com/forum/index.php?topic=45196.0
From this, I got an 8 page .pdf of a semi from a company in Cincinnati OH.
It has Left Side Plate details, but not the RSP.

Somewhere, I also found a 37 page .pdf of the older Russian PM1905 Maxim.
Cool document, but all in Russian and hard to read.
 
tootall said:
Double that would be a good deal.
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I'd say more of a better deal for the community in general. Dropping them to $2-2.5k would be amazing for us shooters and everyone and their dog would own one.

The only way to bring em down to that cost is mass import. That many M2's kicking around would likely only fuel the anti's rage machines. Thus making the low cost not so "great" for us in the end. :(


That said, an M2 would have my attention so damned fast.
 
You will never see a semi 1919 here for $2,500, especially with having to make all 5 parts of the receiver from scratch. The sideplates and the top plate are simple enough, but the trunnion requires alot of machining steps, even with CNC equipment, and the bottom plate is a fair bit of work also. Just to keep the costs down and make it worth while for tooling and jigs, you would have to produce quite a few of them.

Even in the US, were they are allowed to build semis from surplus parts, complete guns have gone up in value and they are getting $2,000 for them now. They are even having a shortage of good usable surplus parts like trunnions, bottom plates and top plates, that some companies are having to make their own from scratch to be able to complete orders. Supplies of some parts are starting to dry up and eventually most of the guns parts will have to be made from scratch.

If someone in Canada does decide to make complete guns, I would suspect they will be in the $4,500 to $5,000 range. That's of course if they are equiped with surplus tripods. If the tripod also has to be made from scratch, that price will go up.

I don't think there are too companies that would want to put out the amount of money up front to make samples to send in to the RCMP lab, and wait 2 years, just to have them refused. I might be abit of a skeptic, but I don't think the RCMP would allow anymore 1919's to be sold in Canada, no matter how many of their hoops you jump through.
 
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I still feel that a Russian PM1910 is the way to go.

<<<< Look left.

If someone (perhaps CanAm, after all this is his forum) was to get hold of some of the many Maxims in storage in eastern Europe, and make an all new SA receiver, it would be a winner.
Maxim design, spiffy Sokolov wheeled mount, pre-1946 belts, cheap x54R ammo (yeah baby!), hopefully under $3000.
Give it some thought, Chris!
 
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Given the flurry of interest in the semi auto RPDs, that might be an interesting project.
There must be a whack of RPDs in storage in China, which could yield a reliable supply of parts. Only new semi only receivers and the dedicated semi auto parts would be needed.

As far as Maxims go, China might be holding those, too, unless they went into the smelters during a great leap forward.
 
zelly said:
Yah I thought that after I posted it. A little low. But can't you get 1919 for around 2500?
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Average used 1919 goes for $5500. I sold mine as a 30-06/.308 package with lots of new spare parts and accessories for $8500. So your price is definitely way off. They only seem to go up and up in price.
 
tootall said:
I still feel that a Russian PM1910 is the way to go.

If someone (perhaps CanAm, after all this is his forum) was to get hold of some of the many Maxims in storage in eastern Europe, and make an all new SA receiver, it would be a winner.
Maxim design, spiffy Sokolov wheeled mount, pre-1946 belts, cheap x54R ammo (yeah baby!), hopefully under $3000.
Give it some thought, Chris!
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Yeah. I wouldn't object to adding a Russian Maxim to my collection, but I think the $3,000 price tag would be hard to achieve, with the work required to make complete new receivers for it. I would have to look at the blueprints for one to get an idea of the machining and tooling that would be required.

IMA-USA sells parts sets for the Russian Maxim for just shy of $2,500 US funds and if you want the wheeled mount add another $400. Now add the cost of making the new receiver box. I think your still looking at a minimum of $5,000 for one, fully build and ready to run. Which I would still probably be willing to pay.

Not saying that someone shouldn't look into it, just being realistic. It would probably take a couple years to aquire the demilled guns from Europe and another year to design and build a functional sample to be submitted, then another couple years for the tech branch to look at it. By that time, alot of things can change, especially if a Liberal government gets into power.

Now if we can get the whole C-68 repealed and the prohibited classifications that were created by C-68, that would make it a whole new ball game. That would open it up to taking demilled and surplus guns like the Maxim, Vickers, along with any other belt-fed that requires a semi specific side-plate to be made, to bring them back to life again as semi only.
 
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