m1919

Stencollector don't forget the evil black paintball gun, usually sans hopper but made more menacing when they are all lined up. Yes your correct for the cache, or worse explosive making materials, as in powder and primers.
 
Davie Sprocket said:
Stencollector don't forget the evil black paintball gun, usually sans hopper but made more menacing when they are all lined up. Yes your correct for the cache, or worse explosive making materials, as in powder and primers.
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Were getting a little off track here, but they don't need powder or primers to write that you have explosive making materials. Combination of common household cleaning chemicals will earn you that press release, even if you have no idea what to do with them. It happened to that computer voyeur (and his wife) who snuck onto the G8 summit computers. You would think he was Bin Laden's twin by the time they got through releasing his details.

Just to keep this thread on track, I want to say I love my 1919A4, it is a hoot to shoot, can make pop cans dance at 100 yards, and is the closest thing to a F/A that we can buy in Canada.
 
To true. Is the 1919A4 the one with the tripod mount? I remember seeing one on marstars site that had a butt stock and what looking like a grip.

I have a question what are the particulars about the belts, as in legal length, age of the belt, which ones are listed and such, I am a little confused as to which ones are legal for longer lengths and which are not?
 
Davie Sprocket said:
To true. Is the 1919A4 the one with the tripod mount? I remember seeing one on marstars site that had a butt stock and what looking like a grip.

I have a question what are the particulars about the belts, as in legal length, age of the belt, which ones are listed and such, I am a little confused as to which ones are legal for longer lengths and which are not?
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The 1919A4 was on a tripod, and a pistol grip is a normal part of the gun. The same gun would fit on most of the same mounts a 50 cal would fit on, such as various vehicle pedestals and trays, as well as the M63 mount.

The 1919A6 was an attempt to make a squad automatic out of the m1919 by giving it a bipod, a carry handle, and a buttstock. All these items simply bolt on. It resulted in a very heavy SAW.

The exemption for the belts is: Belts that are of the “belt” type consisting of a fabric or metal belt, are not a reproduction and were originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding cartridges into a automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945, are exempt from the magazine capacity regulations.

This means that:
-You can use any non-reproduction belt of metallic or cloth type that was made for a type of gun that was pre 1945.
-The belt does not have to be pre 1945; a 1970 dated belt would be fine, as long as it is not a repro and was made for a type of gun that was pre 45.
-The gun the belt was designed for does not have to be pre-1945, just of a type in existence before 1945. If you can fit that same belt into a post war gun, then you are still good to go.
-You do not have to run the original caliber in the belt. If it was, say for 8mm, and you filled it with 7.62 without modifying it, then you are still good to go. Or if you hooked together 30-06 links with 7.62, then you would still be good.
-But if you linked a bunch of post war NATO GPMG links (which were originally for the M60, a post war gun) or say the Isreali .308 links (the .308 version is a post war gun), then you would still be limited to 5 rounds. Some on this site were trying to argue that links are individually a magazine, but I think if that was ever challenged in court you would lose. It is not so much how the belt comes out of the gun, but rather what is going into it. The cartrige exemptions make it clear that they consider a belt or a metallic strip as forms of magazines.

If this all seems confusing to you, you just need to read, then reread the original exemption, which is in bold above.
 
Thanks tootall I looked thro the faq when i started in the forums but I was only looking at the section 12 stuff at that time. No wunder every one is so mixed about what is legal and what isn't.

I have some 30cal wells marine metallic belt that i got off epay would it be subject to the 5 round rule or could i build it longer? There are no dates on the boxes. They are little links that hook onto the bullets and then i think are seperated when fired.
 
Are the rounds to be pulled out, or pushed through, with a little spring finger which engages the extraction groove? Former is likely OK, latter is probably for NATO 7.62.
 
I’m defiantly interested in a 1919a4 for my WW2 Jeep. . . What is the price going to be? Similar to the last time Marstar offered them or much higher?
Thanks
 
You know guys, TNW got a lot of their kits from Marstar in the first place. It would not surprise me if John worked a deal where TNW is only exporting the semi bits and the guns could be finished anywhere with competency. Just a thought.

Either way, I would not worry about where they come from so long as they arrive, are nice, and are affordable.

I've actually owned most of the TNW stuff that has come to Canada EXCEPT for an M1919 - maybe this time I'll get one?
 
I was playing around with the links I have and I can easily push 308 bullets into them. Does this mean its the 7.62 variety or should they be harder then that to push or pull the bullets in and out of the links? I would figure that 30-06 bullets would need some force to put them in.

I have set up a small save for fund and hope I have the money ready when these show up. I was thinking about buying one of the mg34's that came up on the EE, but I'm not much for the other sides equipment.
 
Davie Sprocket said:
I was playing around with the links I have and I can easily push 308 bullets into them. Does this mean its the 7.62 variety or should they be harder then that to push or pull the bullets in and out of the links? I would figure that 30-06 bullets would need some force to put them in.

I have set up a small save for fund and hope I have the money ready when these show up. I was thinking about buying one of the mg34's that came up on the EE, but I'm not much for the other sides equipment.
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Post a photo and you'll have your answer soon enough.

The Canadian 7.62 links will not work on the standard M1919 anyway, as the gun would require sideplate and possibly internal modifications. I was going to modify my 1919 over to Canadian C5A1 configuration until I realised that I would not be able to link more than 5 rounds at a time.
 
I'll try putting up a picture of the links.

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Sorry it came out a little large but thats the links, I made up some dummy rounds and just pushed em into the links. If I can't use em for the 1919 I can sell em or give em away to the goth kids.
 
Apoc69 said:
Those are disintegrating link belts. Modern, thus (I think) limited to 5 by law.
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Hard to tell from the photo if they are the isreali .308 links or the US 30-06 links. If they are the latter, then they are OK, as they would be original and made for a gun in production prior to 1945. If they are the Isreali, then they would be limited to 5 rounds. Are there any markings on the links?
 
Okay I looked real hard at these things for a little bit and on the link it says M1, WM, then 1 or 2 or 3 depending on the link. Like I said they are easy to put on for 308 and if I'm not mistaken 30-06 would be just as easy.
 
I found it hard to get .308 to seat all the way in to the .30-06 links. It could be done, but it seemed like you had to stretch the links a little bit. Assuming that is what you have, you are OK to use them with either 30-06, .308 or 8mm. You can also buy the swede 8mm cloth belts from some of us guys who have all the leftovers. I must have 20 of them empty myself, and am more than reasonable on the price.

The biggest trouble you will have with a M1919 in either 30-06 or 7.62 is finding enough ammo to feed the pig. At $1 a round a day at the range will be awful pricey. I usually limit myself to 500 rounds on a Saturday morning, and when the last round goes through the smokin hot gun, there is an empty feeling, that you want more.

I swear, the M1919 is to a gunnut what crack cocaine is to an addict.
 
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