Hello Everyone,
This is my first review, I'm trying to make it somewhat objective as humanly possible. I apologize if I anger anybody, but I thought I'd share some info about my shooting experiences on Nov13/2010 at North Saanich R&G.
First: A STORY!
I received my 2nd rifle for christmas, 2 years ago: A stinky/MOLDY/sticky M1A in a plastic bag. From there, she was dubbed "the stinko norinco", cleaned her up, refinished the stock with cleaning and about 5 layers of tung oil...
(she's standing upright, ready to go! and my R700 (it's a lefty!))
It shot terrible! at 50 yards on iron, I was doing 3 inch groups! Clearly something was wrong with the gun...Right?
I mean, I could hit the Gong@200 with my Garand without even trying...
So I decided to take it to the M14 tuning/info workshop that Lazzerus was throwing at the October 31 Gunshow in saanich, I figured, hey maybe I could see what's up with my M1A and give it a little TLC.
After having much discussion there with Larry and Frank (of M14.ca), and learning some about the rifle at the workshop, I ended up having the opportunity to test out their "M14.CA CASM" prototype mount, beat the crap out of it (and my stinko') and see how it works on an essentially stock rifle.
Part 2: SMOOOOOOOOOOOKINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN'
It was decided that they (Larry & Frank) would like me to test the mount on a stock gun, no chopping, no muzzle brake, nothing fancy.
The test was simple:
-Zero the rifle using a USGI fiberglass stock with scope&mount in place
-Fire off a 5shot group and see how it does
-shoot it "normally" for about 50 rounds
-do a "speed round" and get it hot (or in my case, smoking!)
-Let it cool down, and do a final few strings and see if it managed to keep zero (after about 200-220 rounds have been put through it!!!)
My roomate (Chris) also was there, with my Rem700VSF (.308) with my Zeiss 6.5-20x50 on top..
So, first let me show you what our project looked like at the start of the day:
better shot of the mount and scope
So, first group, 100 yards.
(1.33" for those wondering)
"SWEET JESUS!" i proclaimed. My M1A was ACCURATE!
But would it stay that way?
Well, we shot and shot and shot.... infact I decided that 50 yards needed some high-speed loving....a "zombie defence radius" if you will...
(that's 10 shots in about 15 seconds, including the magchange)
I couldnt believe how accurate this $400 gun was, add on a mount and scope and this "$1000 gun" was outshooting my $3500&professionally tuned R700.
So, by that time, we put about 100 rounds through it already, and decided to go for a speed round, 80 or so shots as fast as we could pull the trigger, 2 guys loading mags, and 8 mags on the ready. (I have a video somewhere)
Smoke was coming out of the handguard! It was good and hot!
After that, it was given 10 minutes to cool down, then we would shoot a string for "final accuracy" to see how the scope mount held it's zero and if it was solid after a good beating. (10 boxes of federal 150gr)
Here's the results...
~1.5" at 100 yards.
(here's an obligatory picture of me, nuzzling my new best friend)
"it shoots awesome in a GI stock, but what about your chinese mystery wood stock, Jeff?"
We did that next...
(note that I was tired, and the gun was dirty...it could have certainly been tighter)
The CASM mount replaced my rear sights on my Norinco, by doing so, it found an extremely solid mounting position that was perfectly inline with the receiver. I'm not sad about losing my irons, If I want, I could slap on some low-profile flip-ups. What I gained on my "Stinko Norinco" was that it was actually a laserbeam. "Moonraker Laser" sounds about right, and would happily do 1moa groups at 100 on cheep ammo.
I like that the mount doesnt use the hole on the left side of the receiver, it seems like a less sturdy position, and an area that would require "keeping an eye on" to makesure it's still working well. Compare that to the m14.ca CASM mount that's solidly mounted into the rear sight area and you can see some practical knowledge of the M1A/M14/M305/M21 series rifles was put to use.
At the end of the day, the mount held its zero, between stocks and 4 different shooters (3 right handed, and myself the lefty)....I really couldnt be happier. I look forward to when this mount comes into production. I'll be getting mine engraved with "Smellin' Fresh" or "Diamond in the Rough"
It just goes to show, that a cheep rifle with a solid mount and scope can go from being a 3"@50 "problem gun" to a 1"@100 "dream gun"...What was the problem? Maybe Me, maybe the iron sights, who knows...it didnt matter once I saw what this thing could do once it had a scope, I realized it was staying a scoped gun for good.
Thumbs up to the M14.ca CASM mount, I hope it hits production, it's got a lot of promise, and is made in Canada!
Also, just fyi, I really enjoyed the cheek position, maybe It's just luck, but the scope/casm mount/leupold quick release mounts just worked beautifully for feel for me, but that kind of thing always comes down to personal preference..
Thanks for reading my Rant/Review!
-Jeff
This is my first review, I'm trying to make it somewhat objective as humanly possible. I apologize if I anger anybody, but I thought I'd share some info about my shooting experiences on Nov13/2010 at North Saanich R&G.
First: A STORY!
I received my 2nd rifle for christmas, 2 years ago: A stinky/MOLDY/sticky M1A in a plastic bag. From there, she was dubbed "the stinko norinco", cleaned her up, refinished the stock with cleaning and about 5 layers of tung oil...
(she's standing upright, ready to go! and my R700 (it's a lefty!))
It shot terrible! at 50 yards on iron, I was doing 3 inch groups! Clearly something was wrong with the gun...Right?
I mean, I could hit the Gong@200 with my Garand without even trying...
So I decided to take it to the M14 tuning/info workshop that Lazzerus was throwing at the October 31 Gunshow in saanich, I figured, hey maybe I could see what's up with my M1A and give it a little TLC.
After having much discussion there with Larry and Frank (of M14.ca), and learning some about the rifle at the workshop, I ended up having the opportunity to test out their "M14.CA CASM" prototype mount, beat the crap out of it (and my stinko') and see how it works on an essentially stock rifle.
Part 2: SMOOOOOOOOOOOKINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN'
It was decided that they (Larry & Frank) would like me to test the mount on a stock gun, no chopping, no muzzle brake, nothing fancy.
The test was simple:
-Zero the rifle using a USGI fiberglass stock with scope&mount in place
-Fire off a 5shot group and see how it does
-shoot it "normally" for about 50 rounds
-do a "speed round" and get it hot (or in my case, smoking!)
-Let it cool down, and do a final few strings and see if it managed to keep zero (after about 200-220 rounds have been put through it!!!)
My roomate (Chris) also was there, with my Rem700VSF (.308) with my Zeiss 6.5-20x50 on top..
So, first let me show you what our project looked like at the start of the day:
better shot of the mount and scope
So, first group, 100 yards.
(1.33" for those wondering)
"SWEET JESUS!" i proclaimed. My M1A was ACCURATE!
But would it stay that way?
Well, we shot and shot and shot.... infact I decided that 50 yards needed some high-speed loving....a "zombie defence radius" if you will...
(that's 10 shots in about 15 seconds, including the magchange)
I couldnt believe how accurate this $400 gun was, add on a mount and scope and this "$1000 gun" was outshooting my $3500&professionally tuned R700.
So, by that time, we put about 100 rounds through it already, and decided to go for a speed round, 80 or so shots as fast as we could pull the trigger, 2 guys loading mags, and 8 mags on the ready. (I have a video somewhere)
Smoke was coming out of the handguard! It was good and hot!
After that, it was given 10 minutes to cool down, then we would shoot a string for "final accuracy" to see how the scope mount held it's zero and if it was solid after a good beating. (10 boxes of federal 150gr)
Here's the results...
~1.5" at 100 yards.
(here's an obligatory picture of me, nuzzling my new best friend)
"it shoots awesome in a GI stock, but what about your chinese mystery wood stock, Jeff?"
We did that next...
(note that I was tired, and the gun was dirty...it could have certainly been tighter)
The CASM mount replaced my rear sights on my Norinco, by doing so, it found an extremely solid mounting position that was perfectly inline with the receiver. I'm not sad about losing my irons, If I want, I could slap on some low-profile flip-ups. What I gained on my "Stinko Norinco" was that it was actually a laserbeam. "Moonraker Laser" sounds about right, and would happily do 1moa groups at 100 on cheep ammo.
I like that the mount doesnt use the hole on the left side of the receiver, it seems like a less sturdy position, and an area that would require "keeping an eye on" to makesure it's still working well. Compare that to the m14.ca CASM mount that's solidly mounted into the rear sight area and you can see some practical knowledge of the M1A/M14/M305/M21 series rifles was put to use.
At the end of the day, the mount held its zero, between stocks and 4 different shooters (3 right handed, and myself the lefty)....I really couldnt be happier. I look forward to when this mount comes into production. I'll be getting mine engraved with "Smellin' Fresh" or "Diamond in the Rough"
It just goes to show, that a cheep rifle with a solid mount and scope can go from being a 3"@50 "problem gun" to a 1"@100 "dream gun"...What was the problem? Maybe Me, maybe the iron sights, who knows...it didnt matter once I saw what this thing could do once it had a scope, I realized it was staying a scoped gun for good.
Thumbs up to the M14.ca CASM mount, I hope it hits production, it's got a lot of promise, and is made in Canada!
Also, just fyi, I really enjoyed the cheek position, maybe It's just luck, but the scope/casm mount/leupold quick release mounts just worked beautifully for feel for me, but that kind of thing always comes down to personal preference..
Thanks for reading my Rant/Review!
-Jeff
