M1A Squad Scout Question

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Was thinking of swapping out my M1A Loaded for something more useful, shorter, and likewise non restricted. So my question is as follows;

http://www.impactguns.com/store/706397041229.html

Its listed on the Springfield site as an 18 inch barrel. Does that put it non restricted in Canada, by barrel or overall length, or would it have to be 18.1 to pass?

Secondary question, what about the M1A Socoms? Restricted?
 
What you need Sir, is a fast handling non restricted one of these :
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I can give details by email
 
The reason I started chopping all those M14 rifles,
genuine M14s,
Chinese clone,
and SproingfieldM1A rifles,
all those many years ago,
was because the M1A Squad Scout rifle was almost exactly what I wanted.
BUT,
the too ^&$* short 18" barrel made it a BAD GUN here in CANUCKLEHEAD LAND.

Yeah ....
if Springfield had made an 18.5" length barrel for the Squad Scout,
and sold it for a reasonable price,
then I would not have had to introduce so many of the taller M14/M1A/M305 versions to my friend ,
Mr Chop Saw.

And if Sproingfield had made a sturdy, reasonably priced side folding stock,
instead of that weak, sloppy side folder they marketed for about ten times what it was worth,
then I wouldn't have had to make all those side folders.

An 18 3/4" barreled M14/M1a?M305, in a side folder, has been my personal Go To practical rifle for over 25 years now.
I've had several dozen of them.
They are just about the best / most cost effective,
civilian legal military type semi auto rifle I know of.

And I thank Sproingfield,
for their over priced,
poorly built,
M1A Squad Scout models as my prime inspiration.

Thank you Sproingfield Amory,
from the bottom of my heart,
for showing me the way.
[;{)
LAZ 1
 
I wouldn't have thought an M14/M1A was really meant to be a longer barrel MBR (I've got a standard M1A with composite stock) and if I wanted something like an assault rifle I'd go and get an AK/AR in .223 but after reading Mr. Lazarus2000's post I'm going to have to, utterly and completely must with any and all resources at my disposal, have me the 18.5" folding stock M14 ASAP!

:)
 
The problem many of us found at he clinics in the past was while the side folding stock mod is cool and all, and a nice neat tacticool look that satisfies the mall ninja in all of us. It has serious downsides such as oprod area interference, it's not exactly in the way but it's not a practical position having the bttstock taking up space close to the charging handle, also cheekweld on one of those steel rod construction side folders is a B*tch of an uncomfortable thing shooting 308 cal. There is no practical riser or cushion to add and if there was it would be absolutely in the way of the oprod.
Also, and the one thing I dislike the most that makes this mod impractical is it is a screw n glue to the back of the stock, a weak point that I don't favor in a 30 cal rifle. Great tacticool do it yourself mod but it still remains an impractical novelty.
No offense to Laz , he knows I've never been fond of the butler creek type folding stock mod.
 
Sorry to butt in but.... do any of you know where one can even find a Scout Squad for sale... in Canada? Alberta... I'm having 0 luck in getting my hands on one.

Much appreciated, thx.
 
Here is what an 18 3/4" barreled chopped Norc looks like in a GI fiberglass stock.
This length barrel is NOT restricted in Canada, while the 18" SA Squat Scout is.
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And here is what one looks like in a GI glass stock properly modified to take a side folder.
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I personally find the M14 with a side folder is a lot more compact, solid and easier to use than the sliding/extending AR 15 style of stock.

But of course,
YPMMV.
 
Macmillan makes a very good "mil spec" side folder,

However, it's
a) heavier than a regular composite usgi regular stock (because it's essentially their sniper stock)
b) pricier than just about anything except a loaded JAE
c) and be prepared to wait along time to get it, cause each one is a custom order
and
d) it must be bedded, though I don't care because with a stock that
nice and that expensive I want my gun bedded to it.
 
I can't see the CQB advantages of a side folder over a six position AR butt stock. The actual difference is merely the length of the butt stock collapsed. Admittedly, I have never trained with a side folder and I fail to see its CQB advantages in a situation where one might be more inclined to draw a sidearm so is the folder advantage limited to stowage? In a CQB urban scenario, I'd rather have a shouldered AR-style 18-19" M14 nice and tight and in line of sight while "sweeping." I don't think I would be toting my rifle side folded shooting from the hip in such a scenario. I am not sure of the effectiveness of a side folder. I just put a VLTOR modstock together tonight with a Magpul CTR and Magpul Miad and it is not balanced. It is front heavy. I see that with a side folder, as Laz points out, that it will balance out, but we trade that for cheek weld in CQB mode AND additional weight. Now we have a front heavy and rear heavy rifle. It's a "YMMV" call I guess but adding weight to the M14 platform should be discouraged, no? I'd think the difference is close to 10oz.. Now, if someone developed a side folding 7000 series aluminum side folder for the M14 with cheek weld, I think I would take another look at the side folder concept.
 
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