Is the Russian made meant to be higher quality? They all seem to be pretty well made, at least the ones I've seen.
M213, buying one or two?
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Is the Russian made meant to be higher quality? They all seem to be pretty well made, at least the ones I've seen.
from the posts on CGN, some of the Russian Toks have been poorer quality than the M213s, others have been better, there are at least a couple of side by side comparisons kicking around though
Well it's the same story, Russian and Yugo made SKS is better build and better quality the China made SKS...
Russian TT never been "premium" quality to begin with...there is been 2 type of TT-33..one for general military use and one for "special forces" called NKVD, this one for NKVD was made from better steel and 30mm longer then "military" type. There is also very rare TT with treaded barrel for "attachment"
Russian TT never been "premium" quality to begin with...there is been 2 type of TT-33..one for general military use and one for "special forces" called NKVD, this one for NKVD was made from better steel and 30mm longer then "military" type. There is also very rare TT with treaded barrel for "attachment"
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I'd be curious to know the expected service life of these pistols......especially with the springs swapped out at regular intervals. That said, one in the stable, one on the way.
Are y working for Norinco by any chance?
There is no way this POS will hold up so much as 55.000, prolly you still using the same frame, or grips... but its not the same gun
My buddies Russian 1945 in perfect condition felt apart after 2000 rounds....(box of surplus) Slide stop cracked first then bushing broke off..
I mean it's possible if your will replace most of the parts I guess....
I'm sorry your bud got a piece of garbage, that doesn't mean they all are lemons. Do you really think the Commies ruled over the Warsaw Pact and faced us off for over 40 years by using garbage for weapons? Your guy probably got one that was made when the factory was behind in their quota. The Tok is the Com-bloc version of a 1911, and was basically a simplified John Browning design. I'm not surprised at all that I was getting a 1911 type lifespan out of it.
When I bought the pistol it came with a one year warranty. I went through 2,000 rounds with the pistol within 2 weeks. Do you really think they would put a full years warranty on a pistol that would self destruct in 2000 rounds?
I've replaced the springs three times. I think that was pretty much it. I also cleaned and lubed the pistol after every time I fired it. I mostly used molybdenum disulfide anti-seize compound on the slide and rails.
Comrade ...I really like this M213 and especially TT for it's Hot round with one of the best penetration in it's class (and we are not talking about armor piercing rounds here, just regular "military" ball)
However not everything in Eastern block was made to last....like a LADA..or Trabant...AK yes....Trabant NO....so TT it's not equal AK...it's more on the Lada side...that why it's been dropped as hot potato after 21 years of service. (compare to the service of 1911 or AK or even makarov 1954- to present?) And guess what, Russians is still manufacturing their 2106 Lada design of 1961 ....how strange...
Buy the way there is been proposition of making TT with dual stack in 1954 and few experimental models was produced and then it's been replaced by 9x18 Makarov instead...Norinco was making this dual stack TT with 13 round mag and may be still producing them..
And yeah...how many generations russians had their Nagant revolver?
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Comrade ...I really like this M213 and especially TT for it's Hot round with one of the best penetration in it's class (and we are not talking about armor piercing rounds here, just regular "military" ball)
However not everything in Eastern block was made to last....like a LADA..or Trabant...AK yes....Trabant NO....so TT it's not equal AK...it's more on the Lada side...that why it's been dropped as hot potato after 21 years of service. (compare to the service of 1911 or AK or even makarov 1954- to present?) And guess what, Russians is still manufacturing their 2106 Lada design of 1961 ....how strange...
Buy the way there is been proposition of making TT with dual stack in 1954 and few experimental models was produced and then it's been replaced by 9x18 Makarov instead...Norinco was making this dual stack TT with 13 round mag and may be still producing them..
And yeah...how many generations russians had their Nagant revolver?
The TT was originally designed in 1930, and it is still being issued to the Chinese Army. Not exactly what I would call a short run.
Read the following from http://www.firearmsource.ca/ :
The Tokarev TT33
The Tula Tokarev TT-33 design was finalized in 1933, hence the model name. It is a Russian design which closely resembles John Browning's blowback operated model 1903. However, it also uses a similar dropping barrel mechanism found in the M1911. Therefore, the Tokarev TT-33 is both a close cousin of the M1911, and the Browning 1903.
The soviet engineers improved on some aspects of the firearm, such as locking lugs all the way around the barrel, not just at the top. Furthermore, they made several alterations in order to streamline, speed up, lower the cost, and increase the speed of production.Tokarev TT33
All in all, the Tokarev TT-33 is a typical Russian design: simple, reliable and rugged. There are very few parts in this firearm, which reduces complications and breakage to a bare minimum.
This simplicity of design, however, also results in some disadvantages. For example, the M1911 can make use of a grip safety, whereas the Tokarev cannot. In fact, there is no safety on a Tula Tokarev TT33, except for the half-#### position on the hammer.
For this reason, the Tokarev is a less-than-ideal firearm option for CCW or ATC, as it would be unsafe to carry with a round chambered. The extremely slim profile, however, makes the Tokarev easy to conceal, if you don't mind keeping the rounds in the magazine until it's time to use them. A popular means of concealment for those who possess the proper permit, is an Inside Waistband Holster, or an IWB holster.
The Tokarev TT33 was designed for the 7.62x25mm Tokarev round. It is an extremely fast, powerful round which was designed specifically for penetrating body armour and the multiple layers of thick materials commonly found in military parkas in cold climates. The round is available in surplus crates of 2,280 rounds at a cost of approximately $220 Canadian, or roughly $0.09/round. This is less than a third of the cost of 9mm factory loads.
The FMJ version of 7.62x25mm Tokarev has a tendency to over-penetrate, which is another drawback for CCW. JHP projectiles are available for the 7.62x25mm (.30 Caliber) ammunition, which would result in a round with more stopping power, and less penetration. Custom loads have been developed with less powder and a heavier hollow point projectile, resulting in a cartridge with more stopping power, and less penetration.
The Tokarev TT33 saw widespread use during World War II, and in conflicts thereafter. During WWII, the German military captured a fair amount of TT33 pistols and, recognizing their potential and value, re-issued them to elite groups within the German forces.
Mass production of the TT33 ceased in Russia in 1954, but many countries continued to produce these firearms—licensed or otherwise. Poland, China, Hungary and Egypt are a few examples of these.
The Tokarev TT33 is also found chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, a common 9mm cartridge. Shooters who have a TT33 chambered in the traditional 7.62x25mm round can easily change their firearm to shoot 9mm with a quick swap of a barrel. The changeover takes approximately 45 seconds.
Basically, the Tula Tokarev TT33 is a handgun that has been designed to work and work and work, in the roughest and toughest of conditions.
The Tokarev TT33 fires very cheap ammo and it does so reliably. Granted it isn't very glitzy or very glamourous. But, it does the job, and it does it well.
If you're looking for a simple, effective, and powerful handgun, the Tokarev TT33 might just be the match for you. Just don't expect your range buddies to glamour over it.
