M305 ftf ?

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Hey guys,

I know this is a complete newb question, but I am having issues with FTF with my new Marstar M305. It only happens with the Rounds on the Rights side of the mag ( 1,3 5) and it is not all the time. I am using Norc copper wash ammo bought from Trade X. The indexing on the barrel is "ok" but not great, and I went through and checked everything else... as per sticky on forum, and it seems fine. The FTF is not consistent, but it looks like the round is hangin up on feed ramp. Does anyone having any ideas what the cause might be, or how to rectify it?

The mags are VERY tight in and out of the gun, but i think that is completely unrelated.
 
Just a few obvious things to try first would be a few different magazines or some different ammo......which you may have already done. The ammo your using I have used and had no major issues though. Finally if the feed ramp is way out of wack it could cause this I would think. If it is that some polishing would do the trick, I have done this to one of mine on the one side to feed reliably. I had to do some minor polishing and a bit of emery cloth work and it did the trick on mine. Note exactly where and what its catching on to polish the right area where its hanging up. Alleviate mag and ammo problems as well as function issues first though.
 
If you have reloading dies, you might try seating the bullets just a little deeper if needed.

Check the overall length of rounds that feed vs don't feed and see if there is a correlation. If it's the long ones that FTF - there's your root problem.
 
If yer new to the rifle platform
make sure you are seating the mag properly.
Inspect trigger group to rule out a magazine release pin collapse.
And try other mags
These are the First 3 things I'd check

If my rifle was failing to feed the first round
COL is probably not the issue so I'd disregard the comments made by those who would suggest seating bullets deeper :rolleyes:

If it feeds and fires the first round and subsequent rounds Fail to feed...
1st thing to do is make sure gas system spindle valve is not in closed position

But in this case.... Seems wierd the mag feeds from one side and not other. I would highly suspect the mag feed lips
 
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I'm having the same problem with my M305. I'd like to write it off as cheap norinco crap, and maybe even sell it replete with all mags and mods. I saw this thread but there was another M305 FTF thread from further back last year relating to the op rod spring guide not held properly by the locking pin, which isn't the issue for me. It used to get through a 5/20 round mag without any failures about 95% of the time. A friend I met at the range advised I take square pliers and slightly widen the lips of the mag to "show more of the next round's primer". I started thinking it was the odd rounds as mentioned above (1,3,5) but it would completely fail to strip #2 almost 100% of the time now. I tried loading the chamber but keep 5 rounds in the mag, and it wouldn't strip #1 at all. The gas port is open fully, and I cleaned the gas piston and everything and went back to the range, and nothing addressed the problem. It doesn't seem to matter if I use an "unmodified" 5/20 or any 5/20. I haven't tried the original 5-rounder that came with it, that was the next plan and I'm kicking myself for not packing it when I went last. I'm guessing this thread died without a solution, or a solution was found without a followup.

I installed the bolt buffer and a "match" op rod spring guide as the only internal mods, and had a fun rifle working 95% reliably (read: not reliable at all!) for several years. For testing I removed those parts and replaced the guide with the original guide... to no effect. I don't know if it matters, or what it originally looked like, but the gas block appears rotated about 5 degrees, ever-so-slightly counter-clockwise when looking at it when you shoulder it. But the rotation is only apparent when you look down the barrel from the muzzle and compare alignment with the stock.

It does eject and extract without issue. Some of those reliability issues way back was an extraction issue, and I believe the spent cartridges were bouncing off the 2-point scope mount back into the closing bolt, because those extraction problems started when I got that scope mount and never got around to adjusting the extraction path.

The next cartridge (no difference if it is left or right side of mag) gets clipped by the closing bolt but doesn't strip. There is a tiny bite out of the head of the brass cartridge, just a few mils of shaved metal. 80% of its primer is "showing" above the mag, whereas before it was less than half the primer and didn't have this problem as bad. I tried mags that also showed about half the primer and they're also showing shaved heads after a round. I looked at the bolt face that should be catching the round, and there didn't appear to be anything that looked wrong with it. It feeds 100% of the time when I release the bolt manually, allowing the operating spring to have its energy to seat the bolt into the extractor groove of the cartridge. I'll followup with photos later this evening.

edit: As I re-read my post, I thought I'd add that the cartridges touch the mag lips across their entire length in the modified mags, but the unmodified mags are only touched by the edge of the mag lips along their length. I'm thinking I should polish the inside of those lips and maybe try some teflon-based dry-grease if it is simply friction that is preventing the cartridge from stripping off the mag, as the bolt's energy is "bumping" the cartridge downward due to the slope of the cartridge head. Does that make sense? The ammo I've been using are early 80's SA milsurp, FMJ ball. I've tried new FMJ and it doesn't make a difference.
 
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Your mags are seating fully at the front on the spring guide? all the way up at front? Sounds like your mag and therefore your rounds are pointing slightly downward instead of level and pointing to the middle of the feed ramp. This down angle would make the bolt hit the rim, jam the bullet low in the feed ramp and just take a shim of the brass going by.

It's too bad you don't have someone else with an M-14 closeby you could compare both rifle set ups side by side. I know I had to rework and massage the newer imported mags to comform their geometry to known reliable mags and thus eliminated any issues..
 
Your mags are seating fully at the front on the spring guide? all the way up at front? Sounds like your mag and therefore your rounds are pointing slightly downward instead of level and pointing to the middle of the feed ramp. This down angle would make the bolt hit the rim, jam the bullet low in the feed ramp and just take a shim of the brass going by.

Thanks for the help. That's something I hadn't thought of, and ya I don't know anybody else who also has an M1A or M305 for comparison. How do I check the seating of the mags? From an open bolt, or from below? When it actions semi-auto and misses the reload, it always knicks the head of the cartridge but may or may not drag it out partially. When it drags out it gets stuck on the feed ramp, but that's probably only 10% of the time. It doesn't seem to matter how I pressure the mag either, whether it is forward or backward or up or down or random combinations.

To adjust the mags, I should be filing the lug on the mag so that the front raises?
 
If the mag appears to be up tight to bottom of receiver, than this shouldn't be an issue. The front hole in the mag that engages the op rod spring guide would have to be off and not fully lifting mag into proper alignment with chamber.
Again it would be nice to have a 100% functioning rifle and mags from another rifle to mismatch with yours to see if it solves this and then you could see why.

I had to carefully modify the newer import mags to allow positive functioning. Compared to reliable older mags, the whole geometry on both lips and even the follower was slightly different. After spending time with file for follower back end and needle nose pliers for lips I created what looked like the reliable mag, and it seems to function fine. I only loaded it and fired through 3 times, so it will have to wait for drier days for a full report on reliability. How old are your mags? Are they the newer black finished ones with rivets in the side or back versus the older ones with a follower blocker internally?
 
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