M305 Scout Rifle Sight Issue

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Sorry if this has already been discussed - I did a quick forum search and found nothing.

I recently got an M305 Short - so, the 'scout version' -

Ive never had a 'scout' rifle before, and Im having some trouble with the sights - To the point were I am ready to grind down the front sight post.
Ive done some searching on the internet, and the front sight post I guess is supposed to be longer to make up for the short length of the barrell - so now Im sort of confused....

One guy I know thinks that perhaps the back sight aperture is incorrect and needs to be replaced - but everything on it is original 'Norc'

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated....
 
Well, "I feel like I need to grind down the front sight post"...so by the process of elimination, that means that my groupings are low -
In order to get on target, I have to have the back sight aperture set to around a little under '10'....
 
SturmGewehr44 said:
Well, "I feel like I need to grind down the front sight post"...so by the process of elimination, that means that my groupings are low -
In order to get on target, I have to have the back sight aperture set to around a little under '10'....
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It doesn't mean anything without details. Are you saying you feel you have to raise your rear sight too much for the zero you've set?

How many clicks is your rear sight up from the bottom for a 100m zero.
 
Chalkriver - yeah, Ive had to click it to just over ten, 12 I think to zero it in for around 100 - But doesnt that kind of defeat the purpose? Can someone explain to me why its supposed to be like that? I mean, if its to make up for the shorter barrel, why is the front sight post so long? I mean, when its at 0, it shoots real low - how is this supposed to be useful in a combat scenario? Forgive my ignorance - as I said, it's my first scout rifle.
 
SturmGewehr44 said:
Well, "I feel like I need to grind down the front sight post"...so by the process of elimination, that means that my groupings are low -
In order to get on target, I have to have the back sight aperture set to around a little under '10'....
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1. Don't be a smart ass if you're asking experienced persons for help.....

2. Your rear sight should be about 9-10 clicks up from bottomed out. That is normal for this rifle. Actually it's exactly what you want.
Raise your aperture to this number of clicks.
If you're still shooting way low, you will have to either file the front post down until you're bang on POA to POI, or spend money on a new front sight and hope it's not too low!
I'd go for filing the Norc one down. It's a very common issue with these rifles and easily/cheaply fixed with a thin flat file.
Shoot a group with the rear sight 9-10 clicks from bottom. If it's too low, file down the post. Shoot another group etc etc until it's exactly on target.
Once you have done this, undo the screw on the left side of the rear sight, turn the elevation dial until the 100 meter mark on the dial is lined up with the line next to the dial on the receiver, then tighten the screw down.

The reason it's supposed to be like that is because of the ballistics of the 7.62 NATO round. Once it's set up like this, if you want to go from 100 meters zero to 200 meters, you just go two clicks up from the 100 meter mark. Then from 200 to 300 is three clicks from the 200 meters etc etc.
Using this method, you can easily hit a center of mass type target out to 500-600 meters effectively. It's a brilliant sight system and I'd argue one of the best iron sights ever put on a rifle. Right up there with the M16A2 style.
You also can drop down and dial in very accurately as you now have 10 clicks of adjusment between 0 meters and 100 meters which is realistically the most likely distance to engage a target "remember it's a battle rifle".
Then if you want to reset, just dial it to the 100 mark. If it's dark? Just bottom the sight out and count your clicks (9 or 10 whatever you set it at with the screw) up to 100 meters.

3. Remember step number 1.
 
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I was simply replying sharply and matter of factly to a sharply addressed comment - No 'smart-ass ishness intended' -
If you want to be 'curt', you'll receive 'curt' in kind.

That being said, I greatly appreciate the thorough response Travis.
That explains everything in great detail and makes total sense.

Thank you,
 
I've done some searching on the internet, and the front sight post I guess is supposed to be longer to make up for the short length of the barrell - so now Im sort of confused....

This is true, but the total height of the blade of the front sight is determined by the height of the sight base and the height of the sight itself. Lax Norc QC has made many of the shorty front sight blades too high. Easy fix. Calm down everyone and have a good weekend. Safe shooting.
 
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