5440fight
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- under a rock, trolling bugs.
Sigh... number 29- that's me. Damn you John and your manipulative ways. And to think I was going to give to charity...
M4 carbines
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GilesG
CGN Regular
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- Brantford, Ontario
John, or anyone else in the know,
I am curious about which changes have been made to the rifle. The website states that "some production issues" had to be addressed. From what I can tell, the specs remain the same as the "other" batch (1/9, chromed 14.5 inch barrel, ambi safety, etc.). If you don't mind answering, what was actually changed or added too compared to the other batch?
I am curious about which changes have been made to the rifle. The website states that "some production issues" had to be addressed. From what I can tell, the specs remain the same as the "other" batch (1/9, chromed 14.5 inch barrel, ambi safety, etc.). If you don't mind answering, what was actually changed or added too compared to the other batch?
I've been holding out for the Italian M14, I really hope that doesn't come out for a while.
#1bcshooter
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- Location
- North Of The DMZ (US border)
CHINESE CQ 5.56 M4 Style Semi Automatic Carbine (Restricted Class)
The M4 carbine is a family of firearms tracing its lineage back to earlier carbine versions of the M16, all based on the original AR-15 made by Armalite. It is a shorter and lighter version of the M16A2 assault rifle. The M4 and variants fire 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition (they can also fire .223 Remington ammunition) and are gas-operated, air-cooled, magazine-fed, selective fire firearms with a 4-position telescoping stock.
CQ-a (click image for availability and additional information) $699.00
My M4 from the first batch isn't selective fire
Guess I'll have to get one from Marstar
LOL
The M4 carbine is a family of firearms tracing its lineage back to earlier carbine versions of the M16, all based on the original AR-15 made by Armalite. It is a shorter and lighter version of the M16A2 assault rifle. The M4 and variants fire 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition (they can also fire .223 Remington ammunition) and are gas-operated, air-cooled, magazine-fed, selective fire firearms with a 4-position telescoping stock.
CQ-a (click image for availability and additional information) $699.00
My M4 from the first batch isn't selective fire
Guess I'll have to get one from Marstar
LOL
ehntr
CGN Regular
- Location
- SW Alberta
CHINESE CQ 5.56 M4 Style Semi Automatic Carbine (Restricted Class)
The M4 carbine is a family of firearms tracing its lineage back to earlier carbine versions of the M16, all based on the original AR-15 made by Armalite. It is a shorter and lighter version of the M16A2 assault rifle. The M4 and variants fire 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition (they can also fire .223 Remington ammunition) and are gas-operated, air-cooled, magazine-fed, selective fire firearms with a 4-position telescoping stock.
CQ-a (click image for availability and additional information) $699.00
My M4 from the first batch isn't selective fire
Guess I'll have to get one from Marstar
LOL
Gas-operated and air-cooled you say...........liquid cooling an option? HP?
JK
#1bcshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- North Of The DMZ (US border)
Hey I didn't write it . That's right from Marstars web site !
I didn't know restricted M4's were selective fire
- Location
- Just north of T.O.
I too would like to know what the "production issues" were? Please.
#1bcshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- North Of The DMZ (US border)
I got mine over a yr ago & never had any production issues with it .
Works great !
But you can't beat Marstars price
- Location
- Kumankissmyass, BC
zelly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Victoria,BC
This is going to kill my relationship. everything I say is M4 this and M4 that, seriously dont even get me started on marstar norinco sks's.She's already sick and tired of hearing of those. I am buying two or more in June.
#1bcshooter
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Almost makes you want to get another one
Almost !
But I'm happy with the one I have , It cost a bit more but the service was second to none.
scianna54
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- Okanagan BC
... and they come with 2 mags, a $50 value.
AR60
Member
- Location
- Ed-mit-ten, Alberta
How does the pre order work?
I read this part:
NO DEPOSIT is required, NO PREPAYMENT is needed,
your credit card will not be charged until the firearm transfer is approved and your order is ready to ship.
By using the pre order method Marstar will be able to ship your order sooner than normal.
Does that mean when they come in, and it's ready to ship they automatically charge the card? Or can I expect an email or call for some notice?
This is mainly because I don't have the hugest of limits on my CC, and I use it for other stuff so if the timing is wrong then no M4
I read this part:
NO DEPOSIT is required, NO PREPAYMENT is needed,
your credit card will not be charged until the firearm transfer is approved and your order is ready to ship.
By using the pre order method Marstar will be able to ship your order sooner than normal.
Does that mean when they come in, and it's ready to ship they automatically charge the card? Or can I expect an email or call for some notice?
This is mainly because I don't have the hugest of limits on my CC, and I use it for other stuff so if the timing is wrong then no M4
scianna54
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Okanagan BC
How does the pre order work?
I read this part:
NO DEPOSIT is required, NO PREPAYMENT is needed,
your credit card will not be charged until the firearm transfer is approved and your order is ready to ship.
By using the pre order method Marstar will be able to ship your order sooner than normal.
Does that mean when they come in, and it's ready to ship they automatically charge the card? Or can I expect an email or call for some notice?
This is mainly because I don't have the hugest of limits on my CC, and I use it for other stuff so if the timing is wrong then no M4
Just put yourself on the list and then call in when your card has some air and get it over with.
This says that it's chambered in .223 - were the Norinco carbines also .223 chambers, or 5.56?
=(M-1)=
Regular
- Location
- Southern Alberta.
=(Correct AMMO)=
Here are the general parameters of the 'Norinco CQ 5.56mm Type A assault carbine' as I have come to understand them:
This variant introduced in the year 2006 in several Defense expos worldwide, including the MILIPOL, is a copy of the American M4A1 assault carbine. It features a telescoping stock, a removable carrying handle mounted on a Picatinny rail, and a 368,3 millimeters (14,5 inches) barrel. The CQ Type A carbine variant is claimed to be able to stabilize both M193 "Ball" and SS-109/M-855 variants of the 5.56 mm cartridge, as would be expected from a rifle with a 1:9 barrel rifling twist.
The fact this rifle is said to beable to stabalize both may be in question, But time will tell I guess. Though heres the story behind the problems related to that fact.
1:9 rifle twist of the Norinco CQ 5.56 type A-A.C. is sort of a bastard Rate of twist, same as the stock XRC. but half way between the M-16A1 and M-16A2.
An M-16A2 which have a 1-7 rate of twist rifling, are designed to fire the newer 5.56mm 62-grain SS-109/M-855 penetrator(light armor piecing) bullet. But it has trouble with the standard 5.56mm 55grain M193 ball that is designed to be fired from 1-12 rate of twist rifling of the M-16A1, As result, it suffers a wide MOA Patten even at short ranges.
Also note however, that the standard M-16A1’s accuracy suffers greatly from using 62 grain M-855. ammo (reported upwards of 12-MOA@100m!?!) So use the right ammo for the right gun and you'll be fine.
M-16A2/M4A1/Tavor TAR-21 = 5.56x45mm 62 grain M-855/SS-109 penetrator (The rough, ugly, green tipped bullets.)
M-16A1/AR-15 (or equivalent) = 5.56x45mm 55 grain FMJ M193 special ball.
But the Norinco CQ 5.56mm Type A assault carbine and the Robinson Armament XRC have a rate of twist of 1-9. this puts it right up the middle. That may be good or it may be bad, though it could very well stabalize both types 55 and 62 grain bullets, and I've heard good things about the XRC's accuracy, but thats not a cheap rifle. Though it is possable the 9-1 may not do as well as expected, because nether bullet was designed for a 1-9 twist. I've found when you try to make someting good for everything, it ends up being good at nothing.
But I recall 1-9 twist is perfect for Matchgrade .223rem. 68-69 grain BTHP. made by both Black hills and Federal, damn fine bullets.
As for bigger grains, stay away from bullets that require a 1-7 rate of twist. found in the M-16A2,M-4A1 and Tavor TAR-21, such rifles can include not only the 62-69 grain, but also the larger 75-77 grain BTHP.223 rem. to their cartridge list, and can enjoy the addisonal ballistic and terminal performance those bullets offer, though the 1-9 could fire them, they will not perform near as well as the other specified rifles.( the XRC can be fitted with a 1-7 barrels that are available.)
Also note: anything that can fire 5.56mm can fire .223 rem. but not the other way around. that can cause premature ware, and barrel damage. So this Norinco M-4 variant should do fine with either.
All this is based on what I read but have not yet had time to test, (too busy.). So give it a try, I'd love to hear how it turns out. I currently have no intentions of getting this rifle just yet. Too many guns on my wish list and not enough money to buy them.
Here are the general parameters of the 'Norinco CQ 5.56mm Type A assault carbine' as I have come to understand them:
This variant introduced in the year 2006 in several Defense expos worldwide, including the MILIPOL, is a copy of the American M4A1 assault carbine. It features a telescoping stock, a removable carrying handle mounted on a Picatinny rail, and a 368,3 millimeters (14,5 inches) barrel. The CQ Type A carbine variant is claimed to be able to stabilize both M193 "Ball" and SS-109/M-855 variants of the 5.56 mm cartridge, as would be expected from a rifle with a 1:9 barrel rifling twist.
The fact this rifle is said to beable to stabalize both may be in question, But time will tell I guess. Though heres the story behind the problems related to that fact.
1:9 rifle twist of the Norinco CQ 5.56 type A-A.C. is sort of a bastard Rate of twist, same as the stock XRC. but half way between the M-16A1 and M-16A2.
An M-16A2 which have a 1-7 rate of twist rifling, are designed to fire the newer 5.56mm 62-grain SS-109/M-855 penetrator(light armor piecing) bullet. But it has trouble with the standard 5.56mm 55grain M193 ball that is designed to be fired from 1-12 rate of twist rifling of the M-16A1, As result, it suffers a wide MOA Patten even at short ranges.
Also note however, that the standard M-16A1’s accuracy suffers greatly from using 62 grain M-855. ammo (reported upwards of 12-MOA@100m!?!) So use the right ammo for the right gun and you'll be fine.
M-16A2/M4A1/Tavor TAR-21 = 5.56x45mm 62 grain M-855/SS-109 penetrator (The rough, ugly, green tipped bullets.)
M-16A1/AR-15 (or equivalent) = 5.56x45mm 55 grain FMJ M193 special ball.
But the Norinco CQ 5.56mm Type A assault carbine and the Robinson Armament XRC have a rate of twist of 1-9. this puts it right up the middle. That may be good or it may be bad, though it could very well stabalize both types 55 and 62 grain bullets, and I've heard good things about the XRC's accuracy, but thats not a cheap rifle. Though it is possable the 9-1 may not do as well as expected, because nether bullet was designed for a 1-9 twist. I've found when you try to make someting good for everything, it ends up being good at nothing.
But I recall 1-9 twist is perfect for Matchgrade .223rem. 68-69 grain BTHP. made by both Black hills and Federal, damn fine bullets.
As for bigger grains, stay away from bullets that require a 1-7 rate of twist. found in the M-16A2,M-4A1 and Tavor TAR-21, such rifles can include not only the 62-69 grain, but also the larger 75-77 grain BTHP.223 rem. to their cartridge list, and can enjoy the addisonal ballistic and terminal performance those bullets offer, though the 1-9 could fire them, they will not perform near as well as the other specified rifles.( the XRC can be fitted with a 1-7 barrels that are available.)
Also note: anything that can fire 5.56mm can fire .223 rem. but not the other way around. that can cause premature ware, and barrel damage. So this Norinco M-4 variant should do fine with either.
All this is based on what I read but have not yet had time to test, (too busy.). So give it a try, I'd love to hear how it turns out.
I currently have no intentions of getting this rifle just yet. Too many guns on my wish list and not enough money to buy them.
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The 1:7 twist was adopted for use with the long 5.56 tracer bullet. It is not needed for conventional bullets 80gr. and less.
1:8 will stabilize 80gr. and lighter.
1:9 is just fine with 62gr. military and 68 and 69gr. target bullets. Usually a 1:9 will stabilize some 75s, but not others, depending on bullet length. Sierra 77s would be worth trying; they are not a VLD design, being short enough to feed through the standard magazine.
1:12 barrels are at their best with the 55gr and lighter bullets.
55gr bullets will generally shoot well from faster twist barrels. From the 1:8 barrel on the AR I use for Service Rifle, my 55gr loads group close to 1moa.
1:8 will stabilize 80gr. and lighter.
1:9 is just fine with 62gr. military and 68 and 69gr. target bullets. Usually a 1:9 will stabilize some 75s, but not others, depending on bullet length. Sierra 77s would be worth trying; they are not a VLD design, being short enough to feed through the standard magazine.
1:12 barrels are at their best with the 55gr and lighter bullets.
55gr bullets will generally shoot well from faster twist barrels. From the 1:8 barrel on the AR I use for Service Rifle, my 55gr loads group close to 1moa.
