M855 'Green Tips' situation down south

Hawkeye80 said:
No, I just find it funny that people are worried about this. Can you explain why people need armor piercing ammunition that was designed for the military when there are other suitable options in 62gr? Didnt think so.
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Can you explain why people need any guns accept for 1 for a hunting gun if you live in the bush. It's not your concern what people need. We live in a somewhat free world based on wants not needs. If you want to live in a place of needs sell what you have, donate it to charity and move to a third world country.

If someone is going to go on a bullet proof vest rampage, they are breaking the law. If your shooting it because you want to then it's none of your business what reason that person does with it.
 
Ok let's try this:

What can green tip do, that ball can't do cheaper?

Neither is useful for hunting. Both make holes in paper.

The only difference I can see is that one is better at wrecking your steel targets.
 
Spawn-Inc said:
Can you explain why people need any guns accept for 1 for a hunting gun if you live in the bush. It's not your concern what people need. We live in a somewhat free world based on wants not needs. If you want to live in a place of needs sell what you have, donate it to charity and move to a third world country.

If someone is going to go on a bullet proof vest rampage, they are breaking the law. If your shooting it because you want to then it's none of your business what reason that person does with it.
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I don't even know where to start with that post f:P:.
 
PMC, IWI and other brands are not U.S. made and will still come into Canada. If anything, we will have easier access and more stock of it if the U.S. prohibs it from being sold.
 
Hawkeye80 said:
No, I just find it funny that people are worried about this. Can you explain why people need armor piercing ammunition that was designed for the military when there are other suitable options in 62gr? Didnt think so.
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Scopes are sold that are calibrated for it, it was made available to the civilian market, still good to go here, some people own a bunch of it, any ammo is better than no ammo, etc.

Your question seems to imply lethal intent to an inanimate object. If you assume purchasers harbor no ill will against people who wear armor that 855 would penetrate more meaningfully than standard FMJ, then why get rid of it?

To frame your question differently, why do we need AR-15s, semis that share lineage with our military's rifle and function the same every way but one when we could put the exact same holes in paper with single shot NEF rifles in the same caliber?
Why do we need guns? in some places they shoot IPSC with airsoft.

What do you actually need? Air, nutrition, water. You can get that while in a coma taking food and fluids through an IV.
This is 21st century North America, we don't just take what we need. #### that bull#### :p

Don't let the GTA get to you now.
 
Hawkeye80 said:
No, I just find it funny that people are worried about this. Can you explain why people need armor piercing ammunition that was designed for the military when there are other suitable options in 62gr? Didnt think so.
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All that surplus 7.62x39 we have here for cheap is banneed for import into the US b/c of its steal core and the fact that its handgun ammo. Its really an absurd ban. That green tip ammo is what a lot of guys use for hunting coyotes around here b/c you can buy it in bulk for rather cheap and it fairy accurate. Plus any 62gr 5.56 nato will go through a level two vest. Almost all rifle ammo will. The reason for the purposed ban isn't that its armour piercing its that it meats the definition in the law(maybe?). So in summary it doesn't have to be armour piercing to be armour piercing. Which by the way m855 is not.
 
Why use this ammo?

m855 type ammo is more accurate than 55gr fmj or the stubby lead-core 62gr fmj, and vastly cheaper than factory 69gr or 75gr hpbt match ammo. I believe it is because of the aerodynamic profile and the fact that the steel tip is lighter than lead, putting the centre of gravity further to the rear of the bullet, like a match bullet.
I shoot service rifle and know that using 55gr ammo is a major handicap, as accuracy falls apart at or beyond 200m, especially if there is a bit of wind.
The green tip ammo is much cheaper and easier to find in quantity than factory match ammo in 69gr hpbt or 75hpbt.
You have to handload 69gr hpbt pretty hot to get ballistic performance that approximates the 62gr nato load, and not everyone has the time to handload 100's of rounds of ammo before a weekend competition.
 
I think I've seen M855 that's actually made in the US all of once in the past 5 years. I'd say easily 95% of the M855 I've seen for sale in Canada is made by PMC. Is it imported straight from Korea or is it imported through the US? If it comes straight from Korea I don't see how a US ban can cause us Canadians a problem (other than giving our own government ideas for future bans). I could see some less scrupulous retailers trying to raise prices because it's "harder to get" since it's banned in the US.
 
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LUTNIT said:
For the record, retorting to "why do you need it?" with "why don't you need it?" is a pretty weak argument. It makes you sound like a 12-year old arguing with their parents in a toy store.
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I don't think anyone said that, but for the record, giving this stuff up as another option for range ammo because why do "people need armor piercing ammunition that was designed for the military when there are other suitable options in 62gr?" would make us pretty weak people. It would make us look like diane feinstein holding up ARs asking why anyone needs such a deadly military assault weapon when there are muzzle loaders that would work the same for target shooting and hunting.

This isn't a toy store, and we already have access to this ammunition. This argument has it's own context.
 
Hawkeye80 said:
No, I just find it funny that people are worried about this. Can you explain why people need armor piercing ammunition that was designed for the military when there are other suitable options in 62gr? Didnt think so.
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It's not designed as a AP round! It's a improved penetration round and when they do need a AP in 5.56 they have the M995. Besides M855 doesn't even meet all the BATF criteria for AP rounds.

And yes my AR WAS DESIGNED TO SHOOT M855 And it does so quite well. If I was really worried about actual armour penetration anyway I would go with a bigger more capable round.
 
I see the anti "green tip" fudds are out in force again.. does anyone even take the time to read up on green tips and what they are? oh I get it now...GTA......
 
Hawkeye80 said:
No, I just find it funny that people are worried about this. Can you explain why people need armor piercing ammunition that was designed for the military when there are other suitable options in 62gr? Didnt think so.
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Leviathan024 said:
I see the anti "green tip" fudds are out in force again.. does anyone even take the time to read up on green tips and what they are? oh I get it now...GTA......
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Haven't done the research, don't care to, and think they're looking at the bigger picture when they get on their armchair throne to play along with politicians, making claims about what the people need or don't need. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. And it may be that a lot of people in the GTA who are on this forum are just new to firearms, I don't know. It goes beyond firearms though, people just chew what they're fed from corporate news and out comes an opinion that doesn't require a lot of afterthought. And there are a lot of them in the GTA.. I should know, because I live there.
 
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You guys are hilarious. Now I'm an anti-green tip armchair quarterback fud. All I was asking is why people are worried about the slim possibility of this happening here and what makes M855 unique other than it having a steel perpetrator tip. All this "well my scope or gun was made for it" is funny to me, try using another round with the same grain bullet and velocity and see what happens. My M400 Enhanced barrel is stamped 5.56 not M855. So Unless anyone can explain to me what makes M855 unique other than the steel tip you guys can carry on with your weekend warrior bromance.
 
Hawkeye80 said:
You guys are hilarious. Now I'm an anti-green tip armchair quarterback fud. All I was asking is why people are worried about the slim possibility of this happening here and what makes M855 unique other than it having a steel perpetrator tip. All this "well my scope or gun was made for it" is funny to me, try using another round with the same grain bullet and velocity and see what happens. My M400 Enhanced barrel is stamped 5.56 not M855. So Unless anyone can explain to me what makes M855 unique other than the steel tip you guys can carry on with your weekend warrior bromance.
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Armchair politician*
 
Hawkeye80 said:
You guys are hilarious. Now I'm an anti-green tip armchair quarterback fud. All I was asking is why people are worried about the slim possibility of this happening here and what makes M855 unique other than it having a steel perpetrator tip. All this "well my scope or gun was made for it" is funny to me, try using another round with the same grain bullet and velocity and see what happens. My M400 Enhanced barrel is stamped 5.56 not M855. So Unless anyone can explain to me what makes M855 unique other than the steel tip you guys can carry on with your weekend warrior bromance.
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Why does m855 need to be unique? You were given several reasons as to why people like it and want to use it.
 
Hawkeye80 said:
You guys are hilarious. Now I'm an anti-green tip armchair quarterback fud. All I was asking is why people are worried about the slim possibility of this happening here and what makes M855 unique other than it having a steel perpetrator tip. All this "well my scope or gun was made for it" is funny to me, try using another round with the same grain bullet and velocity and see what happens. My M400 Enhanced barrel is stamped 5.56 not M855. So Unless anyone can explain to me what makes M855 unique other than the steel tip you guys can carry on with your weekend warrior bromance.
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weight distribution the m855 the weight is nearer to the rear as steal is lighter than lead. Its cheaper.
 
OK. So everything being said...

Who here right now is using M855. Who is using this on a regular basis, it seems like a bunch of people in here apparently do, is this really the case?
 
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