m91 NAGANT RIFLE TRIGGER/bolt QUESTION

NB.nagantsniper

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just picked up a new to me nagant m91.........made in 1904, octagon reciever with imperial stamps/arsenal marks/ original but restored=varnished stock. very nice condition.

has finnish sa marks, the older style rear site marked in arshins=(paces) not metric. anyway........

anyway..., it does NOT have the usual 2 stage military trigger. as my other 2 nagant ww2 era guns do.
it is single stage trigger pull.......very nice let off......
also I notice the bolt spring is very very stiff (very hard to turn cockin knob into so called safe an back , even after a strip/check an clean up it still has a single stage trigger(ok byme) and stiff cocking springs.thats kinda unsafe in my opinion)
gun /trigger do not appear altered or frigged with in any way.

did some finns rifles have such a trigger? any idea on it /why?
any info most welcomed.
thanks all.
 
Pics please!

Check if there are distance marks on the right side of the rear sight. Usually the Finns remarked the sights in meters on that side.
Now, did you pull the barreled action off the stock? did you notice some small metal shims under the action just behind the recoil lug? sometimes they put those there to regulate the height of the action in the stock. Is the stock one piece or a finger-jointed design? is the barrel channel enlarged?
Is there a small spring behind the trigger, around the trigger pin?
What are the markings on the barrel root?
pp.

NB.nagantsniper said:
just picked up a new to me nagant m91.........made in 1904, octagon reciever with imperial stamps/arsenal marks/ original but restored=varnished stock. very nice condition.

has finnish sa marks, the older style rear site marked in arshins=(paces) not metric. anyway........

anyway..., it does NOT have the usual 2 stage military trigger. as my other 2 nagant ww2 era guns do.
it is single stage trigger pull.......very nice let off......
also I notice the bolt spring is very very stiff (very hard to turn cockin knob into so called safe an back , even after a strip/check an clean up it still has a single stage trigger(ok byme) and stiff cocking springs.thats kinda unsafe in my opinion)
gun /trigger do not appear altered or frigged with in any way.

did some finns rifles have such a trigger? any idea on it /why?
any info most welcomed.
thanks all.
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All of the Mosins I have shot have all been single stage triggers. I don't believe they made 2 stage triggers for them. Are you sure your other 2 have 2 stage, and aren't just really loose?
 
will check and post info. as mentioned, as to photos never had ANY success getting them posted on site /sorry..............if needed i can send a few to help expert members.........
thanks all.
 
ok more data as stamped on barrel ect....

a very small stamp looks like russian imperial eagle with III direct under it.
then lettering as follows.............i used an online translator best as i could. any letter i couldnt find in the russian alphabet list is marked with a ? ....each word in order.........

imperatorsk ? y (question mark looks like an I shape really.)

tup?sk?m (question marks look like L and an i shape)

opuzheynb?i (qustion mark looks like i)
eavodb
then year 1904.r
also stamps finnish sa inside squae, and a k inside a circle, and an L all near on barrel near chamber/ barrel root.

rear site marked on right side with finnish site re-graduation.....metric

has a shim behind barrel lug held in by 2 small tacks/mails.
barrel channel doesnt seem enlarged.
no spring i can see around near trigger.........looks like any of my other nagant , except the trigger spring and ejector part seems like stainless/ shiny steel not the usual blacken metal i have on my other nagants.
and
stock is the thin 1 piece of wood not finger joined.
help! just curios no panic...........

also finally, I noticed rifle bolt has a serial number, wich is stamped crossed off and another serial number wich matches the rifle action number is stamped on it,,,,,,,,,,this looks old not reciently done.

ok?
 
Finn capture

Looks like an imperial Tula. You, lucky dog!:dancingbanana:
Finn-captured and not modified, apart from work on the bedding and maybe on the trigger. Eminently collectible.
Finish on the stock is probably shellack, the usual Russian finish but it would be easier to tell with pics.
Any wire hangers in the stock slots?
PP.:)
 
yes has wire hangers on stock..............only real negative butt plate was painted brown, and was held on with modern screws wich i replaced with old proper looking military ones .as i said stock looks modern re-done varnished?
what value if your correct? i got it on trade during a ammo deal.........
bore is worn but looks ok to shoot will do accuracy test soon.
thanks all.
 
Old M-1891

NB.nagantsniper said:
yes has wire hangers on stock..............only real negative butt plate was painted brown, and was held on with modern screws wich i replaced with old proper looking military ones .as i said stock looks modern re-done varnished?
what value if your correct? i got it on trade during a ammo deal.........
bore is worn but looks ok to shoot will do accuracy test soon.
thanks all.
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Check finish by applying some denatured alcohol with a lintless pad or a small painting brush in an unconspicuous place. If original shellack, the finish should melt then resolidify.
Butt plate can be taken off the rifle and cleaned using a paint stripper, no big problem. You did well by replacing the modern screws with the appropriate ones.
Value is variable, depending on the remaining finish, if Bubbaed or not, matching or unmatching (Finns were experts at that) and the rarity of the model. I would say an early 1900 like this one is about $275.00 but this is a wild guess.;)
Pics would help a lot.
PP.
 
Some mosins have 2-stage triggers. Most of them are finnish models though, like the M24, M27, etc.

The Russian ones CAN have 2 stage triggers, depending on bedding setup and fitting of the sear. Generally they are single-stage though.
 
ok thanks.......................as to trigger perhaps i am mistaking the take --up--the slack ......then fire as compaired to a lee enfield or fn c1 rifle wich has a definate slack then 2nd stage to fire? perhaps decribing it wrong after a long 12hr work shift?
any ill take pics an pass them on to any expert..............
tried it on range today i thought bore was lookin bad but it groups tite an spot on......very nice.
 
I Have a Russian 1943 M-38 Izhevsk carbine, and a Polish M-44 carbine, 1951, both with single stage triggers. The Polish is much smoother. I also have a Finnish M-91, rebarreled in 1940 by TIKKA, with a double stage trigger, much nicer to shoot. The first reference to a two stage trigger I ame across was in a reprint of a Civil Guard poster calling for the Guard to up grade their rifle to M28-30 standard. One of the up grades was a two stage trigger.
 
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