wait no i understood heron cuts a muzzle brake from the barrel itself therefore no need to add on a muzzle device so you 18.5 inch barrel is 18.5 inch long with the brake since the brake is an uninterruptible part of the barrel
Maccabee Defense SLR information and updates
- Thread starter jiffx2781
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If the upper was the serialized part then you could say have a 10.5" barrelled upper to use at the range, and a 18.5" upper to go hunting with. Then you could truly have just one lower to do just about everything. I'm assuming here that you will be able to purchase separate uppers. It doesn't really matter to me, I already have several other AR15's for range use.
I agree with most of the sane posters here, 1000 dollars is outrageous for a stripped lower/upper. For comparison purposes arguably the highest quality AMBI billet combo set by MEGA arms is $699, comes with a charging handle, forward assist and brass deflector...
Maccabee also has zero reputation in the industry other than importing rifles. I would caution those that pre-order to wait and see, but I know that would be futile. My hope is that Maccabee lowers the price to something more reasonable for the average, informed, Canadian gun enthusiast. But I won't hold my breath...
Welcome to CGN lol. SLR receivers are forged not billet so there's that.
Ok. A serialized upper does make sense for the guys with an RPAL. I have no need to go to a range so I didn't see it that way.
Hopefully they thought this through for the guys who would benefit from this.
I agree with most of the sane posters here, 1000 dollars is outrageous for a stripped lower/upper. For comparison purposes arguably the highest quality AMBI billet combo set by MEGA arms is $699, comes with a charging handle, forward assist and brass deflector...
Maccabee also has zero reputation in the industry other than importing rifles. I would caution those that pre-order to wait and see, but I know that would be futile. My hope is that Maccabee lowers the price to something more reasonable for the average, informed, Canadian gun enthusiast. But I won't hold my breath...
Restricted lowers are cheap because they are restricted. If they could be made non restricted then they are worth more since there currently is no other option
I have a bushmaster ACR in 30 RAR. It is a custom made bolt that was proof tested. There was actually 3 bolts made for my rifle, some didn't make it through the testing. it was also made in a way that I can use the same bolt and magazines with my 450 bushmaster barrel
The only rifle that was readily available in 30 RAR was the Remington R15. It used a modified AR10 bolt carrier, different barrel extension and proprietary magazines.
The parent case to 30 RAR is the 284 win, 450 Bushmaster shares that same parent but is a lower pressure cartridge.
Remington was worried that someone may try and use a 450 bolt with the 30 RAR cartridge but the factory 450 bolt is not strong enough so they decided to make the cartridge rim slightly larger on the 30 RAR so it would not function on a 450 factory bolt.
I highly suggest talking to Heron Arms, he has the tooling and knowledge after making mine. I know of nobody else in Canada that has done it or will do it.
When the ACR was first announced, 30 RAR and 450 Bushmaster were among the calibers they said were coming, hopefully they still are in the works.
Ammo is readily available in Canada and Remington has no plans to stop producing it.
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ComradeVlad
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I don't understand why this company is choosing to sell a little amount for $1000, when they could sell a rediculus amount for a few 100 dollars less.
By your post above, you say that you make parts on a knee mill. I assume manual, so my inference from that is that they are fairly basic parts. You then pay someone else to program and CNC machine it. In my opinion, this puts your knowledge of production machining of a consumer product in question. Additionally, anyone with even a passing knowledge of production knows that raw materials are the lowest factor of determining product cost, unless you are dealing with exotics.
This is not meant to be a personal attack on you. I don't know you, I'm simply stating what I have gathered from your posts on the subject without knowing your experience. I felt they should be pointed out so others can make their own decision on your postings. It's entirely possible I am way off base and for that I apologize. It's just that everyone on the internet is an expert and it rarely has to be backed up.
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That's not how manufacturing works. Why doesn't Ford sell it's trucks for $1000?
Not if you are the only one buying the forgings. It's a low volume item. They had to design and have their own dies made. AR15 forgings are so cheap because you make mountains of them and there are mountains of buyers. It's called the economies of scale.
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rifleman762
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Everybody just calm down about the price. The price will drop eventually. Early adopters get to pay extra, just like the iPhone nerds. Gun nerds are the same way. Within a year of this rifle being on the market, someone else will make a copycat at a lower price because they didn't have the R&D expense plus time spent getting the RCMP to fondle it. I don't always agree with knock-offs but such is life. Maccabee has max 12 months to recoup R&D costs; that's why it's $1000 for the receiver set. After the competition fires up, they will have to price it at a level that only covers ongoing production costs. This is especially true for a design that uses readily available internal parts. It might even be less than a year that we see knockoffs.
speedjunkiesracing
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- Kitchener Waterloo Area Ontario
Do the math.
So buying all the parts in Canada, from True North Arms except barrel. $470 plus tax
Upper and Lower $1000
So a NON Restricted ARish rifle for $1661 and all you need is a barrel.
I got a few barrels from Canada Ammo for $99 each
Shopping Cart
Lightweight Keymod Handguard
Black / 15"
99[SUP]87[/SUP]
Gas Tubes for AR-15/AR-10, Stainless
15 1/8" (Rifle)
14[SUP]97[/SUP]
TNA Gas Block, Aluminum, Micro-Profile (for .625" barrel)
39[SUP]17[/SUP]
Lower Parts Kit for AR-15
86[SUP]97[/SUP]
Buttstock Kit, Complete (True North Arms)
Mil-Spec / Standard (3oz)
69[SUP]97[/SUP]
TNA Bolt Carrier Group (5.56 Bolt)
159[SUP]97[/SUP]
Subtotal 470[SUP]92[/SUP]
So buying all the parts in Canada, from True North Arms except barrel. $470 plus tax
Upper and Lower $1000
So a NON Restricted ARish rifle for $1661 and all you need is a barrel.
I got a few barrels from Canada Ammo for $99 each
Shopping Cart
Lightweight Keymod Handguard
Black / 15"
99[SUP]87[/SUP]
Gas Tubes for AR-15/AR-10, Stainless
15 1/8" (Rifle)
14[SUP]97[/SUP]
TNA Gas Block, Aluminum, Micro-Profile (for .625" barrel)
39[SUP]17[/SUP]
Lower Parts Kit for AR-15
86[SUP]97[/SUP]
Buttstock Kit, Complete (True North Arms)
Mil-Spec / Standard (3oz)
69[SUP]97[/SUP]
TNA Bolt Carrier Group (5.56 Bolt)
159[SUP]97[/SUP]
Subtotal 470[SUP]92[/SUP]
It's a toss up who will be better at this point, NEA is known for horrendous quality control (I and others have lots of first hand experience). Maccabee is an unknow to me, will be rolling the dice no matter what.
Be interesting to see if BCL will sell incomplete rifles or not. I have zero interest in a 223/556 rifle, just the platform.
rifleman762
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- Southern Alberta
Btw, on my AR build I ordered the LPK, BCG, and some other little parts from Brownells, on sale. About $65 for the LPK and $110 for the BCG after exchange rate. TNA has the cheapest handguards.
I paid $260 for an Aero upper and lower from SGW. So to build a NR would cost $740 extra. Not bad for a brand new, single manufacturer design compared to a 1960's completely-amortized-R&D-by-the-US-military rifle with tons of competition and almost zero profits. I forsee this rifle being the most popular black rifle in Canada.
I paid $260 for an Aero upper and lower from SGW. So to build a NR would cost $740 extra. Not bad for a brand new, single manufacturer design compared to a 1960's completely-amortized-R&D-by-the-US-military rifle with tons of competition and almost zero profits. I forsee this rifle being the most popular black rifle in Canada.
ComradeVlad
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- To the West
That's a retarded analogy and u know it. Only until I actually see the production costs released will I rest my case.
thats because they don't understand the demand curve, marginal cost/marginal profit and optimization
Doesn't surprise me, not many businesses in Canada actually understand that.
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