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Gotta laugh at the idea that these will fly out the door at $650 but $1000 people won't buy them.

They can't keep up with production for the BCL 102 at $1800. The BCL seems to be a basic shooter grade AR10. With these MCB You can build a basic shooter grade 5.56 for about the same price.

The $350-400 difference between $600-650 and$1000 isn't going to be a big deterrence. $1800-2200 rifles sell fairly well. Tavors are not uncommon and they had a much higher price tag.

Except for $1800 price tag of the 102 your getting a fully complete functional gun. The $1000 reciever/lower of the SLR only leaves $800 to complete the rest of the gun. A $300 reduction would atleast give u the budget to buy a nice trigger, or a OK optic, or a really nice rail, or muzzlebrake, or Magpul furniture all around etc. 100's matter especially if ur on a budget which ALOT of people are these days
 
My subjective opinion on the worth of the lower and upper.

Fair enough, that is what everybody has to use to decide on what something is worth to them.


I guess at the rate these NR semi auto rifles with AR component compatabilty are being approved and brought to market now.... it will only be a matter of time before someone with some cash to spend farms out the uppers and lowers to a much more affordable manufacturing process and undercuts all these guys by 1/2.

Or the Libs make all semi-auto centerfire rifles restricted in the next month or two.


I have built billet recievers from scratch on my own equipment. The pricing on the reciever set is very reasonable considering what you are getting.

Nobody wants practical experience here, stop it.


Canadian shooters are some of the cheapest people around. They want fancy gear but want to pay Norinco prices... LoL

It does seem so, and I would put myself in that category as well (being cheap that is, not expecting something for nothing). I don't b!tch about how someone who is selling the only product on the market in that category is gouging, though. I will just not buy it and do without if I don't feel it is worth it to me.


Delete. I'm not going to bother anymore.

You're no fun.


For the people who know what it costs to machine something like this upper/lower combo and think these are overpriced...

What percentage of the stuff you design and prototype has to then go in a black box for anything from one to three years, at the end of which you may simply be told "you can't make this and everything associated with it is now worthless"?

That's what you're paying for. Not just machine time.

Indeed. That's why I mentioned design/develop/test expenses in the costs. Then add on having to sweat out the RCMP bending you over at the end of it all.


Theres nothing fancy about it tho, its just 2 CNC'd chunks of aluminum.

As noted above, two pieces of CNC'd aluminum with a bunch of design/development time and riding out the FRT process added to them. The machining part is easy, it's deciding what shape to machine that costs a lot extra.


If it was that simple why isn't there a Murry 3-D rifle out on the market?

Fair question.


I agree with most of the sane posters here, 1000 dollars is outrageous for a stripped lower/upper. For comparison purposes arguably the highest quality AMBI billet combo set by MEGA arms is $699, comes with a charging handle, forward assist and brass deflector...

So, you think that a non-comparable product that was a well established and developed design that required no R&D, no significant testing and no FRT process should cost the same as a brand new product with no competition in a different niche?


I don't understand why this company is choosing to sell a little amount for $1000, when they could sell a rediculus amount for a few 100 dollars less.

Maybe they think they will sell all they can make at $1000? If they priced them at $700 instead of $1000 they have to sell 43% more receiver sets to break even on the price reduction. A $600 price needs 67% more sales to break even. I can't imagine the numbers working out even close to that for them and that isn't even taking into account that their margins shrink much more rapidly than the price does.


If you don't like the price don't buy it. There is no other option if this is what you want.

Indeed. Personally, I do think their price is a bit high but they are selling the only one available on the market at the moment and that means they can name their price.


Do the math.

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Good post. I would personally use a better barrel than a $99 special, but that is my choice.


Maccabee confirmed on Instagram the rifle uses standard trigger components.

Sweet.


LOL, once again CGN'er has an unrealistic grasp of the size the Canadian firearms market, even worse understanding of the manufacturing and how to run business.

Again, practical experience isn't wanted here.


Gotta laugh at the idea that these will fly out the door at $650 but $1000 people won't buy them.

I have had the same thought. For what lots of guys throw into their AR range toys $350 amounts to a medium sized rounding error.


Mark
 
Except for $1800 price tag of the 102 your getting a fully complete functional gun. The $1000 reciever/lower of the SLR only leaves $800 to complete the rest of the gun. A $300 reduction would atleast give u the budget to buy a nice trigger, or a OK optic, or a really nice rail, or muzzlebrake, or Magpul furniture all around etc. 100's matter especially if ur on a budget which ALOT of people are these days

It's already been demonstrated you can put together a rifle for $800. So for the $1000 reciever set + $800 give or take you get a fully complete functional rifle. $2000 would be easy.

Just because the price tag might be out of some people's budget, doesn't make the price unfair.
 
I would measure your barrel according to 'Canadian' standards. A lot of American manufacturers do not include the chamber in their measurement.

See section e of the following government document.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5590-eng.pdf

And please report here or drop me a PM with how your barrel measures up :)

Hey, I measured my barrel way back when I was looking into an ACR and thinking of getting this barrel to work with one, its exact length from closed bolt face to muzzle is 18.2" so still well short of what it's needed to be.
 
Mega Arms didn't arrived at the $699 price overnight.

Mega Arms didn't start off as a firearm business, it started off as Mega Machining back in the mid 80's and before that it was another machine shop under a different name. Mega Machining start producing small firearm parts like extensions and A2 sights back the early 90's, as way to fill in down times in between their main business of servicing aerospace and heavy equipment industries, it wasn't until early 2000 before Mega Arms start producing plain jane receivers, and finally it was only in the last few years did they manage to make enough profits in the firearm business to spin it into a stand alone company.

So you are looking at company that has been around for over 30 years and with 17 of those years in producing AR receivers, whatever time and money they spend in R&D and equipment has long since been paid off with a generous helping from their previous services.
 
Reading this thread, people have unrealistic expectations on the cost of designing, manufacturing and servicing a low volume product like this in Canada...and god forbid make a living doing it. If it was so easy to produce cheap non-restricted AR-esque upper/lowers like this, everyone would have done it by now.
 
haha there is a possibility of that.... im in my second year of Machinist.... and have some ideas clouding my head.
Ah, the enthusiasm of youth. Wait until you get out in the world and the reality of life crushes all your dreams.

Then come back here and let us know when we can buy the Murray 3-D Rifle. I imagine it will be on the rack right next to the Volk Arms billet AR180B pattern lowers.
 
Gotta laugh at the idea that these will fly out the door at $650 but $1000 people won't buy them.

They can't keep up with production for the BCL 102 at $1800. The BCL seems to be a basic shooter grade AR10. With these MCB You can build a basic shooter grade 5.56 for about the same price.

The $350-400 difference between $600-650 and$1000 isn't going to be a big deterrence. $1800-2200 rifles sell fairly well. Tavors are not uncommon and they had a much higher price tag.


People are comparing costs of the MacAbee to the MegaArms AR-15 receivers - I’m not sure why. The Mega-Arms billet is rediculous and they are grossly overpriced. Maybe that is why they are being used as an example...

Comparing the BCL-102 to this is apples and oranges, as is AR-15s to AR-10s.
$1800 for a complete AR-10 is fair, whether it is restricted or non-restricted. Is a healthy profit tied up in that price? Sure, no doubt.
$1000 for an upper and a lower receiver is gouging, pure and simple. I don’t mind that MacAbee are wanting to make a tidy profit, but $1k is right the ##### out of ‘er.

It's already been demonstrated you can put together a rifle for $800. So for the $1000 reciever set + $800 give or take you get a fully complete functional rifle. $2000 would be easy.

Just because the price tag might be out of some people's budget, doesn't make the price unfair.

I probably have enough spare AR parts and barrels floating around in my shop and gun room to build 2 or 3 rifles If I had receivers, and at present, I wouldn’t touch this MacAbee stuff.


Food for thought coming from a guy that fits the demographic of their market to a tee.
Jmho
 
It's already been demonstrated you can put together a rifle for $800. So for the $1000 reciever set + $800 give or take you get a fully complete functional rifle. $2000 would be easy.

Just because the price tag might be out of some people's budget, doesn't make the price unfair.

Soooooo u get $800 AR quality for the price of $1800 lol.... It's not bad.... But it certainly ain't as good as it could be if u had that extra $300 thrown in there.
 
Except for $1800 price tag of the 102 your getting a fully complete functional gun. The $1000 reciever/lower of the SLR only leaves $800 to complete the rest of the gun. A $300 reduction would atleast give u the budget to buy a nice trigger, or a OK optic, or a really nice rail, or muzzlebrake, or Magpul furniture all around etc. 100's matter especially if ur on a budget which ALOT of people are these days

Buy the norinco ar 15 with 20 inch barrel off Canada ammo for 600 buy one of these receivers and combine and your at 1600. 1600 for a nr rifle as close as we'll get to an ar 15 should satisfy most people. I have extra quality ar parts lying around and prefer better parts so my version once built will likely end up being over 3k but that's my choice
 
People are comparing costs of the MacAbee to the MegaArms AR-15 receivers - I’m not sure why. The Mega-Arms billet is rediculous and they are grossly overpriced. Maybe that is why they are being used as an example...

Comparing the BCL-102 to this is apples and oranges, as is AR-15s to AR-10s.
$1800 for a complete AR-10 is fair, whether it is restricted or non-restricted. Is a healthy profit tied up in that price? Sure, no doubt.
$1000 for an upper and a lower receiver is gouging, pure and simple. I don’t mind that MacAbee are wanting to make a tidy profit, but $1k is right the ##### out of ‘er.



I probably have enough spare AR parts and barrels floating around in my shop and gun room to build 2 or 3 rifles If I had receivers, and at present, I wouldn’t touch this MacAbee stuff.


Food for thought coming from a guy that fits the demographic of their market to a tee.
Jmho

So what do you think they should be priced at?
 
They’re free to charge what they want.

I’ll be voting with my wallet, so no non-restricted “AR” style rifle for this guy.
 
I applaud Maccabee for building and offering a NR AR15 compatible receiver set. Competition in the marketplace is needed. It will hopefully lead others to build and offer similar NR receiver sets. Once competition takes place, market prices will follow supply and demand. Overall it is nice to see the positive change in NR status options occurring in Canada.
 
I applaud Maccabee for building and offering a NR AR15 compatible receiver set. Competition in the marketplace is needed. It will hopefully lead others to build and offer similar NR receiver sets. Once competition takes place, market prices will follow supply and demand. Overall it is nice to see the positive change in NR status options occurring in Canada.

Well said. Thk
 
The way I would approach it, the set would cost about $1150 delivered, all in.
I could assemble a n-r rifle using parts from an AR that I already have, configured to my preferences.
So, I would have a rifle set up the way I wanted, without addition expenditures.
Looking at it that way, the price doesn't look so bad.
 
Less dollars would sell more for sure.

But being that I could transfer my colt hbar parts and have a Nonrestricted AR15 again is tempting.
 
The way I would approach it, the set would cost about $1150 delivered, all in.
I could assemble a n-r rifle using parts from an AR that I already have, configured to my preferences.
So, I would have a rifle set up the way I wanted, without addition expenditures.
Looking at it that way, the price doesn't look so bad.

yep all I would need would be a lower and upper parts kit and im good to go, I have all the other stuff as spare parts. so 1150 + 200 for dd parts and voila 1350 for a nr ar15
 
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