Gotta love it. Hopefully 6.5 Grendel barrels by the time I'm ready to build one.
That's another cartridge that greatly interests me.
Maccabee Defense SLR information and updates
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That's another cartridge that greatly interests me.
Short answer is I don’t know. Long answer is this:
I don’t know the company and I don’t know the players involved, but I’m going to deduce that these guys aren’t a bunch of gun luving I.T. Guys/truckers/loggers/framers/cops/ etc. that were sitting around watching the hockey game one night and dreamt up an idea to manufacture gun stuff and sell it at a profit. So I’m going with experts in the field of machining and fabrication already that were sitting around and saying “ok, what has come before that was manufactured and would be deemed restricted/non-restricted and what can we do differently”. Probably not much of a stretch to assume there is a fully kitted out shop and bodies at their disposal to make it happen as well - Especially if tools and equipment are sitting somewhat idle due in no small part to our current f$cked up federal and provincial political landscape.
AR receivers are nothing more than cases holding the guts together. There is little in the way of structural requirements, aside from holding everything, including the barrel and extension into alignment.
We know from ARs that a receiver set can be produced, finished and sold at retail for around $150 each. Some more, some less, but I think $300 is a realistic ballpark for both AR receivers at retail. There is profit margin in all levels of delivery at that $300 keep in mind.
With R&D, modifications to economy of scale and perhaps added costs for material and labour, etc. I could see that growing to ~$500.
So that is my ballpark, I think they could produce and profit at $500.
Kudos to them for what they’ve accomplished and I wish them luck with their venture.
To avoid potential for scrutiny and/or question. The extra .25" means that there is no question and no potential for requests for firearms to be sent to Ottawa for 'verification'. They mention in verification literature that they may request further inspection should there be question to veracity of length.
Sunchild2071
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As much as the price makes me poop a little, I don't have enough insight into the process to know what would be a fair value.
But if they become proven as advertised, so be it. The Canadian market is admittedly small, so they have to make a go with what they have.
I'm not inclined to pre-order. Let others do that. I am definitely interested. After the rush dies down, perhaps price will drop. Who knows what the future holds, so it is a gamble, either way. If this proves rock-solid cats-a$$ good, I'll decide, then.
At some point, I will put money into this, even to just buy a receiver set to let it sit. Solely for the fact of supporting innovative Canadian manufacture, as doing that, should slowly open up more good things.
All this is predicated with the premise that our wonderful LPC government, isn't going to pull the rug out from under things. Hence the "it's a gamble either way" statement.
Good on these guys for forging forward, into an uncertain possibility, and succeeding.
But if they become proven as advertised, so be it. The Canadian market is admittedly small, so they have to make a go with what they have.
I'm not inclined to pre-order. Let others do that. I am definitely interested. After the rush dies down, perhaps price will drop. Who knows what the future holds, so it is a gamble, either way. If this proves rock-solid cats-a$$ good, I'll decide, then.
At some point, I will put money into this, even to just buy a receiver set to let it sit. Solely for the fact of supporting innovative Canadian manufacture, as doing that, should slowly open up more good things.
All this is predicated with the premise that our wonderful LPC government, isn't going to pull the rug out from under things. Hence the "it's a gamble either way" statement.
Good on these guys for forging forward, into an uncertain possibility, and succeeding.
I respectfully disagree. I think the biggest problem here is people keep saying "AR15 this" or "AR15 that". While compatible with AR15 parts, and very similar, we still have to face facts that this is a new design firearm. These guys spent the time and money to develop this design. The AR15 is established, documented, and dead easy to make because everyone makes them. The manufacturing process is nailed down. There are companies out there that specialize in supplying tooling just to make AR15 receivers. If you make AR15's, you know you can sell them.
While this design shares aspects, it's still a brand new item that required brand new processes and fixturing. It's one thing to design a firearm but you still have to determine your manufacturing processes so you make a consistent product. Is $1000 on the high side? Sure it is. However, I don't think it is unreasonable considering it is the only one of it's kind. There was a time people happily paid $500 for a stripped AR15 billet receiver when ATRS started making them. I don't remember an uproar about that. People were just happy to have a Canadian option for AR15 lowers.
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While I agree with you for the most part, there actually was quite a bit of "up roar" when we started producing our version of the AR15. Once folks got past the price and realized the quality of what we were producing, it did die down some.
We still get folks complaining about the costs of our MH and MV, which I agree are higher than I would like to see but short of cutting the quality corners see no way to change. There was a tremendous investment made in this gamble. There is no defined list of what constitutes a restricted semi auto or a non restricted or even a prohibited version, so it truly IS a gamble. Best case scenario you get the desired legal staus, worst case you spent a ton of money to learn only that you wasted it by attaining a restricted or worse, prohib legal status as we did with our 1919 and M2HB projects.
We broke new ground with being the first Canadian designed and manufactured semi auto black rifle to attain non restricted legal status. It still took several prototypes going for inspection before the winner was declared. Each refinement means new fixtures and in some cases tooling. It is waaaaay less expensive to simply replicate an existing design that already has the desired legal status. And there is little to no risk in copying an existing design.
The costs add up quick when breaking new ground as we did and now Macabee has.
Frankly I don't see their $1000.00 price tag being out of line assuming the quality of machine work and the fit and finish is there.
Not surprised my memory was off. Still doesn't seem like it was near the witch hunt this appears to be. Ever since the NEA debacle, it's like pooping all over new things is a sport around here. Myself included sometimes, but I like to stir the pot.
Yes, I should clarify that all my comments on price are assuming a quality product. But what do we know? Joe CGN said it's too expensive and they know the ins and outs of manufacturing.
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I really don’t get the people saying that $1000 is an outrageous price. I bet they will be selling faster then they can make them so in my mind they are priced appropriately supply and demand. The supply is low and the demand is high in canada so the price will be a bit higher.
If you bought a cadex stripped ar-15 for $529 and a battle arms development upper for $329 your at $858 for a cnc machined upper and lower that’s half canadian made and will always be restricted. I would gladly pay $142 more for an all canadian made non restricted black rifle that takes all Ar-15 parts.
If you bought a cadex stripped ar-15 for $529 and a battle arms development upper for $329 your at $858 for a cnc machined upper and lower that’s half canadian made and will always be restricted. I would gladly pay $142 more for an all canadian made non restricted black rifle that takes all Ar-15 parts.
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It takes a stand up guy and true professional to come on here and NOT criticize and publicly denounce you're new competition in the NR market. Glad to see this from you. The professionalism I see from you combined with the top quality product that you build is the reason I just made another purchase from you.
Anything that is quality Canadian designed and manufactured is going to cost more and I accept and support this.
It's absolutely awesome to see more Canadian manufacturing in the Firearms industry.
Maybe one day I will support Maccabee as well.
In all fairness a lot of "Crowd control" was utilized in the past uproar's to the point where they never existed. By the way it's not a witch hunt if the negatives are true.
In this case, the costs are high. There's no getting around that. However... I believe one can make up for that with buying well on all the other parts. While the competition for the Maccabee SLR gets you on the parts at full retail plus on top of the receiver costs. The SLR also offers the possibility of a truly high end build with no compromises or unwanted parts. Less expensive would be better, but still this offers a non restricted DI option without parts that may be mediocre messing up an otherwise high end build. Or a budget build with the money in the important stuff. Right now if this goes through there really is no competition for it in the AR15 like world at that price point.
We might not know manufacturing but we sure know consumerism. If a product is priced too high, or claims high end status but once analysed it's found the high end is window dressing, or it doesn't shoot worth a damn etc etc, then an educated consumer won't buy it.
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Patt08
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My thoughts exactly. We literally got what we have been wanting (basically). We have our AR(ish) rifle that we can customize endlessly to fit our specific needs.
Sky’s the limit. I love my ARs, love building them and tinkering with them. This is exactly what I have been waiting for. Hopefully these receivers are everything they are hyped up to be.
Sky’s the limit. I love my ARs, love building them and tinkering with them. This is exactly what I have been waiting for. Hopefully these receivers are everything they are hyped up to be.
Patt08
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I agree, that’s awesome! Will definitely pick up another upper or two in the future.
That's getting better and better, hopefully we can all get one or two before Christmas.
I finished up some photos of the gun this morning, got approval to post these:
Have been playing with them all day for the past two days. Extremely well made rifles, and definitely worth the asking price IMO. They're machined to much higher standards than AR-15 receivers.
Note: This is the demo gun that The Calgary Shooting Centre has on hand. Not all the rifles will be offered in this configuration, and there's always the option of getting a stripped receiver set and building it however you like.
Have been playing with them all day for the past two days. Extremely well made rifles, and definitely worth the asking price IMO. They're machined to much higher standards than AR-15 receivers.
Note: This is the demo gun that The Calgary Shooting Centre has on hand. Not all the rifles will be offered in this configuration, and there's always the option of getting a stripped receiver set and building it however you like.
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