Maccabee Defense SLR Non-Restricted Receiver Set [WAIT LIST]

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atomicfumes said:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you couldn't cerakote over cerakote... where does this leave those of us who had planned to cerakote a different colour than black?
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Cerakote over the blemished anodizing whatever color you want

Mine had a spot in the magwell and a tiny spot by the safety selector. no big deal, I did more blemishing putting the roll pin in the bolt catch. My $1300 brownings come with small finishing flaws occasionally too. I dont get worked up about it since its going to get marked up behind the seat of the pickup anyways.

But Im sure sure the next batch of anodizing will be corrected.
 
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The only way I will accept cerakote instead of anodizing is for a good discount. This is already a poop show from a timing perspective. Looking at estimating timing I want see mine till October unless they greatly step up their output
 
Gubermonkey said:
You're right. They should deliver what they advertised.

Feel bad for TNA, for having an angry mob to deal with. Lol
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I don't blame TNA at all and the reasonable ones amongst us here know this. They're just a middle-man who got a shty product from a shty company - TNA can't control the manufacturing or shipping process.
I just emailed them expressing my concerns and willingness to buy a blem set at a steep discount, and to ask them to forward my concerns to Maccabee.
I think that's the best we can all do at this point. If I don't get a perfect receiver set (anodized, not this cerakote bulsht) nor do I get the option to buy a blem set at a discount, I'm getting a Modern Sporter.
You can only phuck with your potential customers so much and leaving the retailers in the dark is even dumber given the stories I heard about Maccabee being misleading and telling different people different stories before people just say enough is enough.
 
True North Arms Corp said:
shooter and ptemin, those are ideas worthy of consideration. we'll see how this shakes out.

New development. I'm told that instead of anodizing, the receivers will be cerakoted in Graphite Black H Series, by a state of the art cerakote facility (Red Deer Shooting Centre), and that this will make for better QC and faster output.
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... I'm not AT ALL interested in cerakote. Like, zero percent. I didn't order a cerakoted receiver. I'm well aware of the advantages of anodizing over cerakote, and that factored into my decision to order the MDI set.

#### that.
 
Fisselig said:
I don't blame TNA at all and the reasonable ones amongst us here know this. They're just a middle-man who got a shty product from a shty company - TNA can't control the manufacturing or shipping process.
I just emailed them expressing my concerns and willingness to buy a blem set at a steep discount, and to ask them to forward my concerns to Maccabee.
I think that's the best we can all do at this point. If I don't get a perfect receiver set (anodized, not this cerakote bulsht) nor do I get the option to buy a blem set at a discount, I'm getting a Modern Sporter.
You can only phuck with your potential customers so much and leaving the retailers in the dark is even dumber given the stories I heard about Maccabee being misleading and telling different people different stories before people just say enough is enough.
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I agree 100%. TNA really have been the heroes here. They've always had great customer service. I've always enjoyed buying from them. It's just a crappy situation
 
Stag 10 upper and lower is less then 600 bucks with a lower parts kit installed. Made from 7073 type 3 milspec anodizing. I get they are USA and higher volume but come on.

When I preordered it was going to be spring delivery of anodized receivers. I would have bought one then. Then delays, no info, castle huts, horses in the barn they are making them. More delays now a crappy coating. In the mean time the wk180, stag 10, fx9 even with the price increase. Lots more and better options.

This is could have been huge but they blew it. They utterly blew it. I'm buying a stag 10 and taking the 500 dollars I saved in receivers and buying 308 ammo.

TNA has been great but I'm done with MD.
 
Rotorwash said:
Cerakote over the blemished anodizing whatever color you want

Mine had a spot in the magwell and a tiny spot by the safety selector. no big deal, I did more blemishing putting the roll pin in the bolt catch. My $1300 brownings come with small finishing flaws occasionally too. I dont get worked up about it since its going to get marked up behind the seat of the pickup anyways.

But Im sure sure the next batch of anodizing will be corrected.
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Unfortunately it sounds like they are going to be skipping the anodizing and using just cerakote.
 
Not interested in a cerecoated rifle thanks I ordered anodized. Also blemishes are a no go maybe for a steep discount even the I'd drop from two sets to one.

Figure it out.
 
Shooter1971 said:
Why not offer the rejects to us?
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If MDI has delivered more than they had this would be a viable option. But since they came up well short it’s not really fair to those who are higher up on the pre order who don’t want a blemished rifle. MDI has offered to fix them and ship them back. That will take considerably less time than manufacturing more receiver sets.
 
Genuinely curious here. How do they fix the blemished ones? Do they anodize them again?


Shorerider said:
If MDI has delivered more than they had this would be a viable option. But since they came up well short it’s not really fair to those who are higher up on the pre order who don’t want a blemished rifle. MDI has offered to fix them and ship them back. That will take considerably less time than manufacturing more receiver sets.
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Most of the feedback here and by email on cerakote was negative so I had a talk on the phone with Wyatt the head cheese at Maccebee. I shared your and our concerns about this last-minute change of coating. I'll relay what I understood from the conversation.

Maccabee has not been able to find an anodizer within geograpic range that can do a consistent type 3 hard anodizing. The hardness and scratch resistance is mediocre and inconsistent. (I neglected to ask how some anodized receivers could get released anyway, I just sent an email asking this)

Meanwhile they feel that cerakote as applied by Red Deer Shooting Centre will perform at a highly satisfactory level.

Note that cerakote is not always cerakote, many shops that do it are not fully trained and certified. The process doesn't matter nearly as much as the competence in the process of application. There are good anodizers, bad anodizers. Good cerakoters, bad cerakoters. A good cerakote job can be stronger than a bad anodize and vice versa.

In Maccabee's sandblast and other testing, the anodizing was just not holding, while the cerakote performed quite well.

RDSC has a state of the art cerakote facility and properly trained staff. RDSC will guarantee the cerakote against any defects that exceed normal wear and tear. A side bonus is that at some future time Maccabee will be able to offer colours.

Nevertheless, Maccabee hears the feedback and will broaden their search for anodizers to find a solution for people that 'must have' anodizing, which will take some more time of course. We at TNA have some ideas so we are exploring this as well.

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Zach's comment: I understand this is a big curveball. We're working to figure this out.

Maccabee's first major batch goes off to cerakote next week, I'm looking forward to getting one in my hands to see just how good it is.

Give us your comments
 
True North Arms Corp said:
Most of the feedback here and by email on cerakote was negative so I had a talk on the phone with Wyatt the head cheese at Maccebee. I shared your and our concerns about this last-minute change of coating. I'll relay what I understood from the conversation.

Maccabee has not been able to find an anodizer within geograpic range that can do a consistent type 3 hard anodizing. The hardness and scratch resistance is mediocre and inconsistent. (I neglected to ask how some anodized receivers could get released anyway, I just sent an email asking this)

Meanwhile they feel that cerakote as applied by Red Deer Shooting Centre will perform at a highly satisfactory level.

Note that cerakote is not always cerakote, many shops that do it are not fully trained and certified. The process doesn't matter nearly as much as the competence in the process of application. There are good anodizers, bad anodizers. Good cerakoters, bad cerakoters. A good cerakote job can be stronger than a bad anodize and vice versa.

In Maccabee's sandblast and other testing, the anodizing was just not holding, while the cerakote performed quite well.

RDSC has a state of the art cerakote facility and properly trained staff. RDSC will guarantee the cerakote against any defects that exceed normal wear and tear. A side bonus is that at some future time Maccabee will be able to offer colours.

Nevertheless, Maccabee hears the feedback and will broaden their search for anodizers to find a solution for people that 'must have' anodizing, which will take some more time of course. We at TNA have some ideas so we are exploring this as well.

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Zach's comment: I understand this is a big curveball. We're working to figure this out.

Maccabee's first major batch goes off to cerakote next week, I'm looking forward to getting one in my hands to see just how good it is.

Give us your comments
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Look forward to seeing the finished product.
 
Does the anodizing have to be done next door?
Surely there is someone within Canada that can do this properly?
I'm sure this is a nightmare for MDI as well but my goodness, has no one there have any business sense? A proper business plan? How the hell are we at this stage and they are just learning now that their anodizing is crap? Who the hell commits this deep without having all the steps of production sorted?

Anyways.....
Thank you TNA for the updates and always great customer service. Sorry that you guys are caught in the middle.

I for one do not want to pay $1k for a blemished set or a Cerekoted set. I would however buy either at a discount. I can imagine fitment issues with Cerekote as I am reading that the tolerances are already very tight. Cerekote will just make fitment issues worse and you'll have to basically remove the Cerekote to get it to fit together.
Here's hoping they can find a competent Anodizing company with experience and capacity.
 
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