Made in Canada Remington 870 Wingmaster

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Does anyone know anything about a Remington 870 Wingmaster, with a 1950 dated receiver, that has a barrel marked Made in Canada?

Apparently the factory was in Toronto from about 1958. Most likely year of manufacture about 1960 based on the barrel markings.

But the receiver has a low 4 digit s/n that would put it in the range of the earliest 870's ever from 1950.

I'm aware of 2 of these guns.

Anyone else have one or know of any details?

Would love to know how much of it was made in Canada?
 
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Could the barrel be aftermarket? My '52 came with a '74 barrel - apparently at one time a barrel was worth less than the shotgun it's attached to, and in the ea of fixed chokes, swapping barrels was your only option.
 
Could the barrel be aftermarket? My '52 came with a '74 barrel - apparently at one time a barrel was worth less than the shotgun it's attached to, and in the ea of fixed chokes, swapping barrels was your only option.

There are 2 of these guns that I'm aware of. They are identical. I really think the barrel is original to the gun.
 
it is very possible that the entire gun was manufactured in Canada. The Serial number would be critical to making this determination.

From the History of Remington Fire arms.


1956 - To complement its own powder-activated tool business, Remington acquired the Mall Tool Company for $9.8 million. This company operated plants in Chicago and Park Forest, Illinois and in Toronto, Ontario. Mall products included complete lines of portable electric, gasoline, and pneumatic-powered tools and flexible shaft equipment. Mall Tool Company was dissolved in 1958, and its activities integrated with Remington, which included the powder-activated tool business which had been previously developed in Bridgeport. The Canadian subsidiary name was changed to Remington Arms of Canada, Ltd. and its product line expanded to include firearms and other Remington products.
Remington purchased the commercial farm and wildlife refuge of the late Glenn L. Martin, consisting of 2,970 acres of property near Chestertown, Maryland. The property was named Remington Farms. Remington Farms has changed over the years through the addition of additional acreage and the construction of guest accommodations. While Remington Farms is utilized for hunting and conference activities, its primary mission continues to be to demonstrate wildlife restoration and conservation techniques.

1981 - Remington dissolved its Canadian subsidiary.


From Shotgunworld.com

Remington Arms Canada,LTD
36 Queen Elizabeth Blvd. ,Toronto 18, Ontario
( address from 1963 Remington calander)


Proof marks RCEP for Remington Canada vs REP for Ilion USA
 
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I disassembled it today. There are no special markings anywhere except for the Made in Canada and RCEP proof on the barrel.

Does the wood ever look like the same SW Ontario black walnut that was found on a Long Branch Lee Enfield.
 
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I owned a "Made in Canada" marked Remington 870. It was a 30" fixed FULL plain barrel. It had a plain butt stock and a grooved or ringed extension type fore stock. I think it was a product of assembling in Canada to avoid certain trade tariffs. Winchester, Mossberg and Ithaca all assembled shotguns in Canada of US components. The old Remington office was on Queen Elizabeth Boulevard in Toronto ( according to a 1965 Rod and Gun in Canada magazine I have). I have a few boxes of Remington shot shells with a big Maple Leaf and Made in Canada banner on them circa about 1965.

Darryl
 
One weird anomaly is that Rem of Canada was apparently in operation around 1958 and on...but the s/n of this shotgun (and Polkey's) puts it in 1950, among the first ever made.

The barrel codes and receiver s/n's are from different years.

The bluing between the two matches perfectly btw.
 
If it's a low 4 digit serial number it would have been made in 1949. The Canadian made barrels are mid to late 1950's vintage and not original to the gun. The first few years of production saw the barrels stamped with matching serial numbers as well. I'd have to dig thru my notes but 1953 comes to mind when they stopped that old habit...but it might have been 1958...
 
Yes, I had an old 870 (that was mint-like new) that had a matching serial number on the barrel.

So...how did a 1949 built receiver come to get put together with a 1959 Canadian made barrel in 1959 or so, in Toronto?

Remington kept a bunch of receivers in boxes for 10 years? Hmmmm...

Polkey's and my guns are virtually identical.
 
Lots of 870's had barrels swaped on them. Guys would buy a spare with a different length and choke...guns got sold or traded with the spare on it and was seperate for from original. Does your gun have a suffix? The two 4 digit guns I had did not but some 870 "experts"
will say it's impossible...same way they argued it was impossible to have been built in 1949.
 
I figured i would make an update to this old thread, i am one of the posters mentioned in the other thread on shotgunworld forum. I know of four of these including the one that was owned by the op. A friend of mine has one, and I currently own 2 Remington Canada marked 870's and they are identical in every way except that one is a 28" mod and the others are 30" full. All four guns have 4 digit serial number with a V suffix, and all four are between 1200-1500 serial number range. Three of these guns i have physically handled and had a chance to disassemble them. Im not sure if many people here are familiar with very early 870 features, on top of the Remington Canada examples I also have a 1951 & 1955 Ilion made 870.

For the first few years of production Remington had some variations in design that changed through the years. A few of these changes include the lack of a removable steel plate between the butstock & receiver, this was later added to stop stocks from cracking. Very early guns also did not have a retaining pin the kept the locking block from falling out of the bolt when field stripped, it was a change that happened very early as the earlier design it was very easy to accidentally assemble the gun without the locking block. Another chance was the serialization of the barrels to the receiver, my 1951 has this, while my 1955 does not. At some point Remington also changed there method of bluing, at some point in the late 1950's it changed although i am not sure the exact year. The earlier bluing was a lighter colour and at least in my 1951,1955, 1948 made model 11, the bluing does not appear to be inside the receiver, is more of an exterior finish only. The later bluing method is a more commonly encounter nowadays which is an immersion bluing that is on the inside & outside as well as being a noticeably darker almost black colour.

Now i say all that as all three of the Remington Canada marked guns i have looked at, all of which have very low serial numbers, all have later style features. They all have the steel plate between the stock & receiver, they all have the retained locking block in the bolt, none have serialized barrels, and all are the later, darker immersion type bluing. Now i don't know if these guns were simply assembled & finished in Canada with US made parts or any more of the manufacturing was done in Canada, will likely never know. But what i am fairly certain of is that the Canadian made/assemble guns have there own serial number range.

If anyone else out there has seen one or owns one would love to see if they are any different than the examples i have seen. I can post pictures of the guns I have as well as the differences between the older US made guns if anybody wants to see the differences for themselves.
 
On that thread on shotgunworld, a few of the American experts were convinced that none of it was made in Canada. But, as I recall mentioning, Canada made tons of armaments in WWII and shotgun parts or complete guns would not have been difficult for us to make.

But, there appears to be zero info out there about our Canadian made 870's, so it's really a bunch of guesswork.
 
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