Mag extension for lar15

Simple test: If you do this, or apply any kind of lateral force, and there is any bending (i.e. the magazine and the extension don't stay parallel) it will not work well for our intended use.

Could you elaborate on your intended use? How far away are your targets? What exactly does the mag need to hold up against?

If monopoding is the same as using a bipod or front rest, wouldn't there be very limited lateral force on the magazine? And unless you have a precision machined magwell, wouldn't the magazine wobble in the magwell anyways?
 
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We balance the rifle on the magazine. We shoot out to 500 meters off of the magazine. No bipod, no rear bag. Only the magazine can touch the ground. Some guys apply forward pressure, some downwards pressure on the rifle. Yes, there is slight wobble in the magwell, but nothing compared to the flopping around you get with the extension connected to the floor plate. In a shoot where the target is stationary like a deliberate or a rapid, that may not matter. But when you start changing the direction you are shooting in, like in a snap or a mover, that bending becomes a problem.

Believe me, it's been tried. I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of machining these monstrosities if simply fastening something to the floor plate would have gotten the job done.



These clamp around the magazine to stop it from tilting. But, they are quite heavy and cumbersome to use. Still better than carrying a dozen 5/30 mags IMO. The fastening method the couplers use would allow them to be made less bulky but that is still not as attractive as only carrying three mags, which is why I haven't bothered updating the design.
 
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Kombayotch's extensions are definitely superior to mine, however, I've found teh wooden extensions, along with two 1 1/2" wood screws have been super stable. There is some play due to the floor plate, but, functionally, they work. I shot really well at the 400 & 500. Not Kombayotch well, but defintely well.

That all being said, using metal couplers, and something to protect the feed lips may be the best solution, for now that is.
 
One of my earlier solutions was to tape 1/8" thick metal plates to the sides to keep the mag and the extension parallel. It worked... but it was a garage solution, not something that looked like a product.
 
As a preamble I don't shoot service rifle and I don't shoot monopod off of mags because every "tactical carbine" course I've been to and every video I've watched has not recommended it for "combat applications". It's perfectly fine for SR, just not something that I practice.

That being said I think the original poster's idea and Grapeshot's 3D printed product are ingenious. If they'll hold up to 50lb of vertical force and 15lb of side force they're as strong as I'd ever need them to be for courses or 3 Gun style matches. I'd possible throw a rubber magpul on the bottom to provide cushioning for longevity but that goes for my SS C Products 5/30's as well...

Flipping your coupled 10rd mags in a reload may look tacticool but isn't particularly fast or really enforcing that muscle memory we're all trying to build with quick mag changes.

I'm glad something like this may finally be coming to market and am looking forward to beta testing some of them at upcoming TacMatches and courses this summer!

Props for filling a much needed void guys!
 
As a preamble I don't shoot service rifle and I don't shoot monopod off of mags because every "tactical carbine" course I've been to and every video I've watched has not recommended it for "combat applications". It's perfectly fine for SR, just not something that I practice.

You should probably also mention that you're not in the CF either since that is a technique they teach and use in combat.

Flipping your coupled 10rd mags in a reload may look tacticool but isn't particularly fast or really enforcing that muscle memory we're all trying to build with quick mag changes.

Sorry, we reserve looking "tacticool" for the CQB matches, and that's where we practice our mag changes (5 rounds maximum - enforced). Nothing "tacticool" about it for SR. Simple logistics.
 
kombayotch, if basic training were the end all in training you'd never see CF members at private courses. There are lots of things that the military does that does not make sense. Monopoding may or may not be in that category but I'm not here to argue that.

I just stated that I've heard arguments against monopoding and that I think their extensions are a great idea for 3 Gun style matches. I for one would like to use them. Maybe they would be good for your CQB matches too then if that's where you use 5/30 mags (and if the rules allowed)?

But hey, YMMV
 
I really like the idea. Keep in mind, if these work for the LAR mags, they should also work for the 10 round XCR mags. And anything longer than the 10 round XCR mags in 7.62 seem nearly impossible to find. The ONLY thing I dont like about the prototype is the gap between the mag and the extension. Is there any way to tighten that up? Maybe machine a lip around the whole thing to fill it in? I wouldnt mind it on one of the small sides (if necessary to slide the pieces together when assembling. But on the long sides id want that gap filled.

I would pay $20 for a few of these. 3 at least. If they are white you can probably use RIT dye to dye them many different colors. Or, use Krylon to paint them. I bet duracote would stick also.

I think the best idea of all (for the original product of course) is to machine them so they connect like the mag couplers do. Just sliding together. Seems like the simplest and strongest solution.
 
Komb, mopar - lets not get in to a piss fight about different applications for the mag extensions, and whether or not mono-podding is a good idea or not. The black rifle forum has too much of that crap.

I'm currently running similar extensions for SR and they work okay. Less flex would be better. I've run them in CQB and there did make getting the mags out of my vest just as fast and easy as a 5/30. I also ran them in a 3 gun match last year too and they worked well in that application. If really fast mag changers are required, I would not want them coupled butt to butt, I'd rather have them extended. Similarly if I am going to be dropping them from my rifle, I'd rather not have them coupled. Protective bumper or not, I think the feed lips will eventually get screwed up. The extenders eliminate that worry IMO.

I think I am going go ahead and get couplers for SR, but I will be keeping my extenders for other applications like 3 gun. It's not like it takes a great deal of effort to change them out.

There is benefit to having extenders for LARs and I hope the OP has success in making them available to shooters. Eventually people will want the same thing for the various Beowolf offerings too I am guessing.
 
I really like the idea. Keep in mind, if these work for the LAR mags, they should also work for the 10 round XCR mags. And anything longer than the 10 round XCR mags in 7.62 seem nearly impossible to find. The ONLY thing I dont like about the prototype is the gap between the mag and the extension. Is there any way to tighten that up? Maybe machine a lip around the whole thing to fill it in? I wouldnt mind it on one of the small sides (if necessary to slide the pieces together when assembling. But on the long sides id want that gap filled.

I would pay $20 for a few of these. 3 at least. If they are white you can probably use RIT dye to dye them many different colors. Or, use Krylon to paint them. I bet duracote would stick also.

I think the best idea of all (for the original product of course) is to machine them so they connect like the mag couplers do. Just sliding together. Seems like the simplest and strongest solution.

The XCR pistol mags have a different profile , and I think a different baseplate configuration as well. I tried interchanging the extensions between the mags, and it doesn't work. If it did it'd look weird anyways. I'll make some up for the XCR mags eventually, just have to get the LARs nailed down first.

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Because of the way they attach, you can't put a lip on the front of the mag (the side that needs the most support) and the plastic I use isn't suitable for replacing the baseplate altogether. I'll look into dyeing them, but I should be getting some black and darker grey plastic in the next few weeks.

My goal was just to make a durable, simple, realistic extension to the LAR mags that doesn't require permanent modification of the magazine body or floorplate. It's difficult to add more material to the outside of the mag while maintaining the aesthetics of the whole thing. As they were initially, they worked well for my needs. As kombayotch pointed out, they may not meet everybody's needs.

To secure the extension further, I printed out a couple of parts that clamp to the ridges on the magazine body and screw into the extension. They're pretty sturdy from what I could determine, but that's coming from a non-SR shooter.

I tried to make them as low profile as possible, and made sure not to cover the magazine markings. However, with them attached, the overall weight of the magazine plus extension slightly exceeded the weight of the 5/30 magazine I was using as a model. They don't interfere with inserting/removing the mag from the mag pouch I was using to test them, but they do stick out slightly.

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Simple test: If you do this, or apply any kind of lateral force, and there is any bending (i.e. the magazine and the extension don't stay parallel) it will not work well for our intended use.

kombayotch,

I performed the same test with the clamped extensions. There initially weren't any pilot holes printed into the sides of the extensions, so the first (square, grey extension) prototype of the clamps didn't function as well as the second one where the extension bodies had supported pilot holes. If you're interested in reviewing them and giving me some more feedback, I could send you a set.

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Definitely some deflection on this side of the mag

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The other side was okay though

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You seem to be on the right track. I'd be happy to review them and make adjustments if needed. You can probably get an even more secure mounting if you made cutout that could hold off-the-shelf metal components like hex standoffs.

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There are a lot of cheap little metal fasteners and things like that at Speanaur and McMaster-Carr that could be incorporated into the design just by leaving shaped cutouts.
 
So just an update for those interested, I've had some feedback from a couple of CGNers including kombayotch and I've improved the design again (3rd revision). At first I thought the plastic I've been using wasn't strong enough to replace the metal floorplate and was designing around that assumption, but in anticipation for receiving new, stronger, nylon material I printed an extension with a floorplate. Actually, they're more like tabs that mimic a floorplate.

They're as strong as the last ones if not stronger, and the slop at the front end has been eliminated. As far as I can tell, there's no lateral wiggle either. Currently, I'm trying to paint match them to the magazines, with limited success. The closest I've gotten to the actual colour is shown in these photos.

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D&H USGI mag, rev 1 extension (grey filament), rev 2.5 extension ("silver" filament), rev 2 (plasti-dipped), rev 3 extension (painted), PMAG

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Those look really good. Id be down for a couple if price is right. Would make LAR15 mags actually retrievable out of my chest rig. Let me know when your selling them
 
Those look really good. Id be down for a couple if price is right. Would make LAR15 mags actually retrievable out of my chest rig. Let me know when your selling them

I'd buy 4 off of the hop.

Ben

I'm still in a testing phase for this revision, and I want to get a few different opinions on it before I consider making a lot of them. I've got about 10 I can give away as testers to people who want to review them. So if you're willing to test/review it and want a free one (just pay for shipping), PM me. {edit} Out of samples now, thanks for the interest guys! {edit}

Very cool, they look great! Will you do a run of em for the slant-bottomed LAR mags?

I don't have any of the slant-bottomed mags to model off of. I'm in the process of sourcing one, but all I really need is the angle between the floorplate and the magazine body. It's a pretty simple process to modify the existing design after I know that.

I like the 10-round ATR polymer pistol magazines (sorry for the derail).

I actually prefer the 20 round length too. It was actually the first and only length I made these in before I saw this thread.

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Happy Canada Day, guys!
 
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