magazine capacity for semi NR center fire rifles

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I apologize I'm sure this has been questioned a million times already, but I couldn't find anything on it. If I understand correctly Centre fire semi auto rifles are limited to 5 round box mag capacity if they are restricted or in a hunting use or configuration. Non restricted semi-auto Centre fire rifles ie. Keltec su 16, norc t97 nsr are allowed 10 round capacity and if its a rifle that takes pistol mags ie. The JR 9mm and 45 rifles they are allowed 10 round capacity? Very confused with our canadian cetre fire laws, restrictions and loop holes.


any help is appreciated,

Randy
 
Rifle mags = 5, pistol mags = 10 don't confuse yourself. Restricted and non restricted can all use 10mags so long as a pistol mag for it exists eg:LAR15 mags.

Jrs probably get 10 cause they take pistol mags. I'm gonna assume glock mags by the looks of it.

Hunting regs capacity is another issue entirely.
 
Restricted and non restricted can all use 10mags so long as a pistol mag for it exists eg:LAR15 mags.
To clarify a bit: centrefire rifles have to use magazines explicitly labelled as pistol magazines if 10 round magazines are to be used, even when the magazines loo the same. There was an issue a couple of years ago between identical-looking Beretta 10-round CX4 rifle magazines and 92FS pistol magazines.

this part I didnt quite get....
If there's a pistol magazine that happens to fit a rifle the that's fine. Some examples are carbines that can use Glock or Beretta handgun magazines, or AR15 magazine-capable rifles that can use 10-round AR15 pistol magazines. The laws relate to the firearm that the magazine is designed for, not what it fits in.
 
Don't confuse yourselves with pistol mags, pistol mag doesn't always mean it's from a pistol!, some AR mags are pistol mags because the AR was designed to be fired with one hand, it's just a really short version of an AR, My Robinson Arms XCR-L can legally use 10 round LAR pistol mags. and it's non restricted. google the loop holes in the Canadian fire arms laws to assure your selves!
Rifle mags = 5, pistol mags = 10 don't confuse yourself.

Jrs probably get 10 cause they take pistol mags. I'm gonna assume glock mags by the looks of it.

Hunting regs capacity is another issue entirely.
 
Loopholes allow (some) 10-round magazines in (some) semi-automatic rifles
Patrick Cain - source: Globalnews.ca
For a chunk of stamped metal not much bigger than a pack of cards, there’s a lot of discussion – in one Canadian gun subculture – of the LAR-15 magazine, a device made by an Illinois-based arms company that can hold up to 10 cartridges to be fed into a semi-automatic rifle. (The current law seems designed to limit rifles to a magazine capacity of five rounds.)

Much of it involves gun retailers assuring potential customers, and gun owners assuring each other, that it is in fact legal. One retailer selling the magazines posts a legal ruling from the RCMP, downloadable as a .pdf, designed to reassure potential customers that they will not be sent to a federal prison for up to five years for possession of a prohibited device, but can order it with a good conscience for $27.99 plus tax and shipping.

“Such is the way our laws are written,” the explanation ends.

So: are they legal to own? Are they legal to fire from a rifle (another point that gets debated)? And why the edginess?

They’re certainly legal, says says Ottawa-based firearms lawyer Solomon Friedman: “I don’t think there’s any debate about the legality. It’s complicated, and people don’t understand it, but legally it’s very well-settled.”

In the ambitious reform of Canada’s gun laws that followed the 1989 École Polytechnique massacre, semi-automatic rifles (other than .22s) were limited to a magazine capacity of five rounds – or so it seemed at the time. Magazines come much larger – the military uses a 30-round rifle magazine, and in some parts of the United States, these are commercially available.

In Canada, semi-automatic pistols are limited to a 10-round magazine.

“They cut down the large-scale magazines so that you don’t have an individual that’s going berserk, trying to kill too many people at once,” explains Doug Carlson, a retired OPP staff sergeant who worked as a regional firearms officer in Ontario for six years. “It limits the amount of time in which somebody can fire a number of rounds before he can reload. The idea is that when he reloads, somebody has the opportunity to escape, or take drastic action.”
Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:

The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

RCMP Canadian Firearms Program Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72

In time, however, a careful reading of the letter of the law revealed a loophole.

Rock River Arms, a firearms maker based in Colona, Ill., makes a gun called an LAR-15 Pistol, that looks more or less like a miniature AR-15 rifle. Designed to be fired with one hand, it fires a 5.56mm bullet – a common rifle cartridge – and uses a magazine which can fit many rifles. In Canada, it is legally classified as a pistol.

They retail in the U.S. for about $1,000.

There are a total of 71 LAR-15 pistols chambered in 5.56 actually registered in Canada, but lots of Canadian gun retailers selling magazines designed for them – many more than one would think the limited market would bear. A quick Google search easily turns up half a dozen online sources from Vancouver to St. John’s.

“Magazines are classified not by which firearms thay are used in, but what firearms they are designed for,” Friedman says. “For example, if a magazine designed for a pistol happens to fit in a rifle, there is no problem using it in that rifle, even though you now have a semi-automatic centre-fire rifle with a ten-round capacity.”

So, if it will fit in the rifle, a gun owner is perfectly entitled to fire this ten-round magazine, but not necessarily any others (that might well be illegal), because it was produced for a firearm that it was possible to define as a handgun.

Many gun retailers also sell a wedge-shaped device (which Friedman calls “absolutely legal”) designed to connect two LAR-15 magazines together, bottom-to-bottom. Flipping the attached magazines between rounds 10 and 11 and releasing the bolt, a shooter can get close to the capability of a 20-round magazine – in a YouTube demonstration, a man using two LAR-15 magazines in an Israeli-designed assault rifle fires 20 rounds in 16 seconds.

“There’s a gun culture that wants to skate around what would normally be a clear-cut law,” Carlson says. “It doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense, why they would allow it, but they’ve clearly allowed it. I’m sure they could tidy this up quite easily with legislation.”
 
So basically anything thats chambered in .223/556 that takes an AR mag can legally use a 10 round capacity mag as long as its labelled as a pistol mag ie. The lar15 mags mentioned. JR carbines using 10 round glock pustol mags etc
 
So basically anything thats chambered in .223/556 that takes an AR mag can legally use a 10 round capacity mag as long as its labelled as a pistol mag ie. The lar15 mags mentioned. JR carbines using 10 round glock pustol mags etc
Bingo. And, FWIW, I don't consider it a a loophole--it's the law as it's written. There's even documentation from the RCMP confirming it.
 
Don't confuse yourselves with pistol mags, pistol mag doesn't always mean it's from a pistol!, some AR mags are pistol mags because the AR was designed to be fired with one hand, it's just a really short version of an AR
Some AR15 magazines are pistol magazines because they're designed for use in AR15 pistols. It's got nothing to do with the AR15 being designed to be fired with one hand or not.
 
Straight from the horse's mouth

Specifically you will want to look at section 4:

4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearmThe maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:

The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

And section 5:

5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibreMagazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:

The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.


From section 4 we get that it is legal to use a magazine from a pistol in a rifle. Thanks to the fact that there are AR-15 and XCR based pistols available on the Canadian market that use STANAG magazines, it is legal to own 10 round magazines for those firearms. It is furthermore legal to use those magazines in any other firearm capable of using STANAG magazines.

It is important to note that THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN RE-PIN RIFLE MAGS TO 10 ROUNDS. The magazines must be specifically designed and marketed for use in a handgun such as the RRA LAR-15 or RobArms XCR Pistol.


From section 5 we get that the limit on a magazine is based on the caliber it is designed and marketed for and not for any other calibers that may incidentally be used in the magazine. This is interesting for us because there exist two cartridges, the .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf, which are designed to feed from STANAG pattern magazines, but are significantly larger than other commonly used cartridges. A standard 30 round 5.56 STANAG magazine will hold 10 rounds of either of these cartridges. This means that a magazine pinned to a capacity of 5 rounds of .458 SOCOM or .50 Beo will also feed approximately 15 to 17 rounds of 5.56 NATO. And yes, it is legal to do this, provided the magazine is designed and marketed for use with one of these cartridges.

These magazines are in rather short supply and are quite expensive. There are a number of other companies trying to bring more on to the market to increase availability with varying success. A site sponsor Northern Republic Magazine tried to import E-Lander .50 Beowulf magazines pinned to five rounds, but was blocked by the RCMP on a claim that the magazines were designed as dual purpose magazines and not strictly for .50 Beo. AFAIK the issue is still ongoing. There is additionally another company manufacturing 5/5 round polymer .50 Beo/.458 SOCOM magazines in Canada, but I am not allowed to mention them by name as several moderators are concerned about the legality of these magazines given that the RCMP has made no comment on them.
 
Patrick Cain .... I really hate to see this name because he is working for anti media and hiding here to dig everything he can .....
 
Also, to confuse you more, have a look at beowulf mags. Here is a short vid from our friend, TV-PressPass.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9a_QPFd50&app=desktop

looks interesting! Wish he showed a little closer in the video how the. 223 loaded and stacked up in the mag. Availability looks to be the second challenge.

im really liking the info I'm gathering on the lar15 mags, I seen they even have a coupler to join two lar15 mags together to make a 2x10 rounder banana mag.
 
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