Magazine Capacity Misinformation and Confusion
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andrew3081
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How many firearm lab techs are there?
Sounds like there are 3 of them saying different things.
Sounds like there are 3 of them saying different things.
HERE IS THE ANSWER FROM CANADIAN FIREARMS PROGRAM RCMP SITE.
Current Issues
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
the 10 round magazine is unregulated
the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
Example 2*: The Ruger BX-25 magazine, chambered for 22 LR calibre, is designed and manufactured for use in the Ruger SR22 rifle, the 10/22 family of rifles/carbines and the 22 Charger handgun. As a result, this magazine is a prohibited device unless modified so its capacity is 10 cartridges or less. (*This information was not included in the original version of this bulletin, but was added on 2013-09-05.)
IT'S THE BX-25 MAG AS IT IT FITS A HANDGUN. NOT THE BUTLER CREEK DESIGNED ONLY FOR THE 10/22
Current Issues
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
the 10 round magazine is unregulated
the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
Example 2*: The Ruger BX-25 magazine, chambered for 22 LR calibre, is designed and manufactured for use in the Ruger SR22 rifle, the 10/22 family of rifles/carbines and the 22 Charger handgun. As a result, this magazine is a prohibited device unless modified so its capacity is 10 cartridges or less. (*This information was not included in the original version of this bulletin, but was added on 2013-09-05.)
IT'S THE BX-25 MAG AS IT IT FITS A HANDGUN. NOT THE BUTLER CREEK DESIGNED ONLY FOR THE 10/22
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elimsprint
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I know exactly what I was told by the tech, which is exactly what I wrote here. I quizzed him as best I could as I also related in this thread. If he was wrong or in fact was lying, I don't see why he would, then any of you could have checked what I wrote with a simple phone call and posted your results here. That being said where is the written confirmation of your phone calls that the info I was given is wrong? I don't see it posted here or anywhere else
Also do any of you even know what my avatar stands for? It doesn't mean I smoke weed, it just means I would vote "yes" for legalization given the chance.
BULLETIN 72 FOR BUSINESSES ..REGARDING ALL MAGAZINE CAPACITIES
Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity
Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72
Background
The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum permitted capacity is a prohibited device. Businesses can be in possession of prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices.
The magazine regulations have been in force since 1993. However, in recent years, new cartridge magazines have been introduced which have resulted in novel situations as it concerns the application of the Regulations. There has been no change to the Regulations. Nonetheless, the application of the existing Regulations to a few new products has given the appearance of a change in the law. This has been particularly evident in the case of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for more than one type of firearm.
Purpose
The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.
Current Issues
Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity
Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72
Background
The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum permitted capacity is a prohibited device. Businesses can be in possession of prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices.
The magazine regulations have been in force since 1993. However, in recent years, new cartridge magazines have been introduced which have resulted in novel situations as it concerns the application of the Regulations. There has been no change to the Regulations. Nonetheless, the application of the existing Regulations to a few new products has given the appearance of a change in the law. This has been particularly evident in the case of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for more than one type of firearm.
Purpose
The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.
Current Issues
I've heard it's possible to slip the housing of the 25 round magazine over the 10 round magazine to keep the "look," but I don't see the need as I am still awaiting written confirmation that it's even an issue with the pistol never reaching our borders, let alone our soil making it "not commonly available."
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I know exactly what I was told by the tech, which is exactly what I wrote here. I quizzed him as best I could as I also related in this thread. If he was wrong or in fact was lying, I don't see why he would, then any of you could have checked what I wrote with a simple phone call and posted your results here. That being said where is the written confirmation of your phone calls that the info I was given is wrong? I don't see it posted here or anywhere else
Also do any of you even know what my avatar stands for? It doesn't mean I smoke weed, it just means I would vote "yes" for legalization given the chance.
At least three people here have already called and confirmed that you were wrong. To further waste more time, I have sent an e-mail and will post the reply when it comes in. Have you bothered to request your findings in writing?
Dammit, I just lost minutes off my life reading through this thread, not just from the time spent reading but from the stress of the induced fear and loathing. But at least the thing had a $%&@ing happy ending.
How about a title change to "Holy Crap, delete this!" ?
How about a title change to "Holy Crap, delete this!" ?
If you deal with techs on a frequent basis you will realize that you can get a different answer for the same question depending on which tech you speak with. One of them told me that all antique .41 RF guns were no longer antiques because the cartridge shot over a certain FPS limit thus making it a firearm. We had a bit of an arguement when I said there was no way this is true and the velocity of the cartridge has nothing to do with antique status. He pulled up the internal bulletin that he had read earlier that he was getting this info from. Turns out a guy had tried to use the arguement that a post 1897 non antique status Remington derringer was a non gun instead of a prohib due to the ammunition velocity being below the limit that is required for the gun to be considered a firearm (i believe there is an energy requirement there as well but I digress) but the RCMP used the last .41 RF ammo made by Navy Arms which is hotter as their test round for the bullet velocity and the guys non gun argument was over. Any how sometimes they take bits and pieces from rulings like the BX-25 mags capacity restriction or the example I used and run away with it without fully understanding. Tech's will interpet the law differently than each other! Get it in writing if you are really concerned with it or call back and speak with another tech, ask the same questions and get the answer you want lol.
Steve
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You're having trouble getting the word out? How about the most obvious and basic thing...posting something on the website. What they are saying just doesn't add up. It seems more like scare tactics to try and "voluntarily" get everyone to pin their mags.
Bottom line is the firearms laws in Canada are juvenile, designed by juveniles, and administered by juveniles.
The whole firearms act needs to be abolished, one to be used and administered by sensible adults.
This whole thing is a joke!
The whole firearms act needs to be abolished, one to be used and administered by sensible adults.
This whole thing is a joke!
Thanks Steve
elimsprint
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I will as soon as soon as someone posts an email or letter proving it one way or the other. I am still waiting on the email response I requested.
I'm somewhat confused.
Does the Charger not accept all 10/22 magazines? I had thought only the BX-25 was banned because it was originally designed for use with a pistol, but that other 10/22 would fit...but weren't originally intended for the pistol and thus not limited.
If the same were true for the 715T, the 25 round mags wouldn't be limited either.
Does the Charger not accept all 10/22 magazines? I had thought only the BX-25 was banned because it was originally designed for use with a pistol, but that other 10/22 would fit...but weren't originally intended for the pistol and thus not limited.
If the same were true for the 715T, the 25 round mags wouldn't be limited either.
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