Magazine Issues with Norinco 1911

Obviously my choice in language is a little too advanced for some here.

Nope it was plain enough. Posting something like that on a public forum could get you a visit from the local police though. It is the kind of post that one reads just before someone goes off the deep end.

My firearms are setup to be simple and reliable. Firearms are intended for one primary role. That role is killing.

Ever take a look at a Olympic Free Pistol or a biathalon rifle?

Whether it be animal or man firearms are designed primarily for killing.

You seem fixated with killing, I hope this is not a trend.

My firearms are setup for their original role. That is, they're reliable, simple in operation and have modifications for such uses.

Ya whatever.


The potential for a defensive situation to arise is a very real possibility. To what degree depends on several factors but I admit its probably quite low. The same can be said for having your home burn down but we all have fire insurance.

What I find odd with your posts Bob is that you are heavily involved with IDPA. You know, the "sport" that was founded on the defensive use of a handgun. If the chances of using ones firearms are near zero as you indicate. Why are you so involved with IDPA? Do you truly respect the founding principles in which it is based or are you just a gamer??

IDPA is a sport, sport. Get past your facination with illusion and deal with real life. When the targets start shooting back I'll take up gardening. I haven't met any in our sport who don't feel much the same way other than having a different alternate pastime.

As an aside all my handguns are set up to play IDPA/IPSC. With the exception of my Husqavarna bought 41 years ago my rifles are for plinking and playing with my cast bullets. My shotguns were origninally bought for duck/geese and upland game shooting. Now they shoot clay birds, only. Wife doesn't like wild game and I have a fondness for T-Bones from Alberta and shrimp/lobster from the sea.


Take Care

Bob
 
45alot - I think this link will show you an early design in the evolvement of the 1911 design.

http://www.sightm1911.com/1911pix/historic/1905 Colt .45 ACP.gif

I have seen one other that was even closer to the 1911 but still not there. Yes it was the Army that wanted the 230 gr bullet not JMB. Great pistol. I have often wondered why nobody has produced one with a linkless system.

I wouldn't get to hung up on the caliber thing. Any of the three popular LEO rds will do the job effectively. I love my 1911's in .45acp.

Take Care

Bob
 
Obviously my choice in language is a little too advanced for some here.

Nope it was plain enough. Posting something like that on a public forum could get you a visit from the local police though. It is the kind of post that one reads just before someone goes off the deep end.

My firearms are setup to be simple and reliable. Firearms are intended for one primary role. That role is killing.

Ever take a look at a Olympic Free Pistol or a biathalon rifle?

Whether it be animal or man firearms are designed primarily for killing.

You seem fixated with killing, I hope this is not a trend.

My firearms are setup for their original role. That is, they're reliable, simple in operation and have modifications for such uses.

Ya whatever.


The potential for a defensive situation to arise is a very real possibility. To what degree depends on several factors but I admit its probably quite low. The same can be said for having your home burn down but we all have fire insurance.

What I find odd with your posts Bob is that you are heavily involved with IDPA. You know, the "sport" that was founded on the defensive use of a handgun. If the chances of using ones firearms are near zero as you indicate. Why are you so involved with IDPA? Do you truly respect the founding principles in which it is based or are you just a gamer??

IDPA is a sport, sport. Get past your facination with illusion and deal with real life. When the targets start shooting back I'll take up gardening. I haven't met any in our sport who don't feel much the same way other than having a different alternate pastime.

As an aside all my handguns are set up to play IDPA/IPSC. With the exception of my Husqavarna bought 41 years ago my rifles are for plinking and playing with my cast bullets. My shotguns were origninally bought for duck/geese and upland game shooting. Now they shoot clay birds, only. Wife doesn't like wild game and I have a fondness for T-Bones from Alberta and shrimp/lobster from the sea.


Take Care

Bob

As suspected, you're a gamer and your gear is selected for gaming. Its ironic you participate in the discipline based around personal defense. You still haven't explained how you reload with your pistol facing your target or defended the position. Please, I'm all ears.

Biathlon or olympic styled firearms are designed and setup for their role. The role of firearms as a whole, is for killing. Much like the purpose behind swords. As I posted, any firearm can be used in a recreational capacity. The firearm does not have to be altered for such uses. I'm not fixated on killing, I am a serious proponent of practical uses for practical tools. I understand the purpose behind firearms and have no issue discussing it. Pretending that your firearms are for "sport" is delusional.

My firearms are indeed setup for their original role, you can't dispute that unless we care to discuss what the role is and validate the setups in question. There is no illusion regarding the defensive use of a firearm. 1 million attempted crimes are prevented every year in the US due to the use of firearms. Hardly an illusion. Engaging paper targets while ignoring proper use of cover/concealment/tactics/environment is an illusion.

TDC
 
As suspected, you're a gamer and your gear is selected for gaming. Its ironic you participate in the discipline based around personal defense. You still haven't explained how you reload with your pistol facing your target or defended the position. Please, I'm all ears.

Oh I agree but nothing between them

Biathlon or olympic styled firearms are designed and setup for their role.

Which is what?

The role of firearms as a whole, is for killing.

If your answer above is to shoot at steel and paper targets then the last statement is nonsense.

I'm not fixated on killing, I am a serious proponent of practical uses for practical tools. I understand the purpose behind firearms and have no issue discussing it. Pretending that your firearms are for "sport" is delusional.

I now think you are certifyable. Is there a doctor in the house?

My firearms are indeed setup for their original role, you can't dispute that unless we care to discuss what the role is and validate the setups in question.

Well now you are back to your killing argument. Are you sure you aren't fixated on the subject.

There is no illusion regarding the defensive use of a firearm. 1 million attempted crimes are prevented every year in the US due to the use of firearms.

Source?

Hardly an illusion. Engaging paper targets while ignoring proper use of cover/concealment/......is an illusion.

Nope no illusion it is real. Happens every month at our club, just ask Jim B.:D He collect procedurals monthly.

Take Care

Bob
ps TDC I have to go back to my home planet and get the mail. Struggle on.
 
Sorry i should have been more clear i assumed you knew meant=J.M.B(John Browning) i did not mean bullet type. again very sure about my 1911 history, but thank you kindly for the link.Best regards.Happy shooting.
 
As suspected, you're a gamer and your gear is selected for gaming. Its ironic you participate in the discipline based around personal defense. You still haven't explained how you reload with your pistol facing your target or defended the position. Please, I'm all ears.

Biathlon or olympic styled firearms are designed and setup for their role. The role of firearms as a whole, is for killing. Much like the purpose behind swords. As I posted, any firearm can be used in a recreational capacity. The firearm does not have to be altered for such uses. I'm not fixated on killing, I am a serious proponent of practical uses for practical tools. I understand the purpose behind firearms and have no issue discussing it. Pretending that your firearms are for "sport" is delusional.

My firearms are indeed setup for their original role, you can't dispute that unless we care to discuss what the role is and validate the setups in question. There is no illusion regarding the defensive use of a firearm. 1 million attempted crimes are prevented every year in the US due to the use of firearms. Hardly an illusion. Engaging paper targets while ignoring proper use of cover/concealment/tactics/environment is an illusion.

TDC



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TDC your not fooling us anymore.....:rolleyes:
 
Yes Browning offered up the 200 gr bullet, my personal preference in the LSWC design. US Army wanted heavier due to there experience with the .38 Long which was a disaster in the Phillipines. In any event the 1911 design is an outstnding pistol. Not many guns you can take apart to the frame using parts from the gun.

Take Care

Bob
 
Hey TDC Im on to you. I suggest you start acting nicer to all the new guys posting and stop trying to be someone your not....

Your about as tactical as a pumpkin on fire :)
 
Look just to clarify, i did not endorse or say i "myself " like the gangster way of shooting sideway's or whatever i meant ,in case you didn't realise i meant that with sarcasm towards someone else.And one day i might even get into organised competitive shooting.Nope don't care for video gaming.A teacher one time told me an interesting saying- NEVER ASSUME. taking the word apart he said the word assume can mean and should be interpeted as assuming can make an( ASS ),next pointing to me (U)and after pointing to himself-(ME)any way's long story short put the bracket's together and you get "Assume".I would encourage everyone to lighten up a little life is too short.Best regards and happy shooting .P.S. ....yeah i got one hell of a quick reload!!Sorry about the rough grammer and spelling.
 
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Question is, besides quality night sights and regular spring replacement( normal for all guns) why do you need to change anything else? Customizing ones gun is a personal thing. Personally, I'm concerned with reliability and placing holes where I want on target. Custom paint jobs, engravings, stainless controls, weighted grip plugs, or the overall "look" is a non issue. Cool looking guns don't win matches or save lives. Skill does.

TDC

"why would you want to change anything else?" yeah, why? maybe we all should buy a corolla. it takes us to point A to point B . i think every one here buy guns for recreational/competition use,(except LE or army guys but then their firearms were issued to them ) and we buy what ever we dig and customize them the way we like. i dig the look and feel of an 1911 . a slim and solid grip feel that none of the modern gun could give me, i dont depend my life on it so i dont mind that if it jams once a while or pieces falls off from time, i just buy a better stronger parts to throw on . by buying a 1911, i know what im getting into, if i want to make it the coolest smoothest gun at the range, i have a long list of aftermarket companies to support it. have you ever fired an ipsc preped 1911? they are just amazing quick and accurate to shoot . it's a feeling that a plastic gun could never give me. and buy customizing it i dont just mean making it look cool. you do need accuracy enhance mod to win match. i agree with you on skills, but your skill is also limited by the accuracy and speed that your gun could put rounds down range. i know a guy who shoot ipsc for years (top 5 in BC last year) for years he has gone back and forward with modification right down to the grip plates on his open and standard gun to make it shoot fast and feel right in his hands. when a 1911 wears quality parts, they tend to look cool too.
 
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As suspected, you're a gamer and your gear is selected for gaming. Its ironic you participate in the discipline based around personal defense. You still haven't explained how you reload with your pistol facing your target or defended the position. Please, I'm all ears.

Biathlon or olympic styled firearms are designed and setup for their role. The role of firearms as a whole, is for killing. Much like the purpose behind swords. As I posted, any firearm can be used in a recreational capacity. The firearm does not have to be altered for such uses. I'm not fixated on killing, I am a serious proponent of practical uses for practical tools. I understand the purpose behind firearms and have no issue discussing it. Pretending that your firearms are for "sport" is delusional.

My firearms are indeed setup for their original role, you can't dispute that unless we care to discuss what the role is and validate the setups in question. There is no illusion regarding the defensive use of a firearm. 1 million attempted crimes are prevented every year in the US due to the use of firearms. Hardly an illusion. Engaging paper targets while ignoring proper use of cover/concealment/tactics/environment is an illusion.

TDC

Wrong Jackass .
The role of a firearm is to launch a projectile at high velocity in a direction that is repeatable with input from the operator.

The firearm has no control over what it is used for GUNS DON'T KILL, PEOPLE DO !!!

Wes was right reading your posts kills braincells
 
As suspected, you're a gamer and your gear is selected for gaming. Its ironic you participate in the discipline based around personal defense. You still haven't explained how you reload with your pistol facing your target or defended the position. Please, I'm all ears.

Oh I agree but nothing between them

Biathlon or olympic styled firearms are designed and setup for their role.

Which is what?

The role of firearms as a whole, is for killing.

If your answer above is to shoot at steel and paper targets then the last statement is nonsense.

I'm not fixated on killing, I am a serious proponent of practical uses for practical tools. I understand the purpose behind firearms and have no issue discussing it. Pretending that your firearms are for "sport" is delusional.

I now think you are certifyable. Is there a doctor in the house?

My firearms are indeed setup for their original role, you can't dispute that unless we care to discuss what the role is and validate the setups in question.

Well now you are back to your killing argument. Are you sure you aren't fixated on the subject.

There is no illusion regarding the defensive use of a firearm. 1 million attempted crimes are prevented every year in the US due to the use of firearms.

Source?

Hardly an illusion. Engaging paper targets while ignoring proper use of cover/concealment/......is an illusion.

Nope no illusion it is real. Happens every month at our club, just ask Jim B.:D He collect procedurals monthly.

Take Care

Bob
ps TDC I have to go back to my home planet and get the mail. Struggle on.

Biathlon guns are optimized for the role they are employed, shooting steel targets on the course. Are they capable of fulfilling their original role? I would say yes. They aren't the most practical setup for small game hunting or personal defense but they would work in a pinch.

Again bob, you still have not educated myself and others on how or why you point your pistol down range when reloading. If you're going to champion your tactic you better support it with fact. I have yet to hear anything defending your position.

IDPA is very much a misleading event that fails to promote proper tactics. Procedural penalties for failing to use cover do not accurately represent the realities of doing such in a shooting. I'm not saying you should be shot for breaking cover. I'm saying breaking cover should be a disqualification as the potential to be shot in the real world is high. Walk throughs don't happen in the real world, dropping partial magazines to the ground is a non issue but apparently is a procedural in IDPA. There are no classes or divisions regarding guns in the real world. Engaging targets in "tactical sequence" is an idealistic approach to a high stress situation you have little control of. The use of IDPA specific cover garments with stiffened or reinforced side panels is straight up GAMING. As you mentioned "IDPA is a sport, a sport". If that's the feeling of those involved then don't call it International DEFENSIVE pistol association, because it lacks anything defensive in nature.

Here's your statistics and sources.
http://www.carryconcealed.net/carrying-concealed-statistics

TDC
 
Wrong Jackass .
The role of a firearm is to launch a projectile at high velocity in a direction that is repeatable with input from the operator.

The firearm has no control over what it is used for GUNS DON'T KILL, PEOPLE DO !!!

Wes was right reading your posts kills braincells

Wrong. What you described is the function of a firearm, not its primary/intended role or purpose.

TDC
 
Wrong. What you described is the function of a firearm, not its primary/intended role or purpose.

TDC

So if I put a loaded gun down on the table it is going to jump up by itself and kill someone/thing:rolleyes:

You're on freaking glue........you should probably step away from the computer and get out into the real world......thats right get off of the couch in mommies basement and go out and see how many of those evil guns are actually used for thier intended purpose..........

Every gun is intended to put the bullet on the target ......it is up to the operator of the gun to decide what the target is. To say any different is living in the ANTI'S fantasy world.
 
Wrong. What you described is the function of a firearm, not its primary/intended role or purpose.

TDC
TDC for a guy who is as astute as you claim to be would you mind learning how to use the quote button. While I agree with BClineman that you are inded a jackass who one day will grow big and tall your posts are for the most part read like old Argosy and Soldier of Fortune magazine articles. As my friend Westicle once posted, "Each time I read your posts I get stupider. My advice is quit your job at Quickymart and join the US Marines, they are looking for a few good men.

Take Care

Bob
 
Once again I can see where TDC is coming from and I think(even though he does not admit it) he can see where most others are coming from.

TDC likes to argue.

In order to argue more, he likes to take a rather extreme and rigid viewpoint on many things related to guns.

Fact is if you see things different then TDC it somehow offends him and he feels the need to preach his belief system......maybe to gain converts but more likely to help him maintain his righteous head space.
 
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