Magnification to see your shots at 100 yards.

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Just been curious what you all feel is needed for seeing your hits on paper at 100yards.

The range I joined has a 25 yard and a 100 yard range. But for various reasons I have yet to get out to the 100 yard range.

Presently I have 4 scopes rifles, two of which I really want to try at 100 and one that I’m thinking about replacing its scope to give it a try as well.

What I have:
-Ruger 10/22 back packer with a 2-7x32 (don’t foresee attempting this one at 100 yards but it’s fun a 25)
-Savage A22 in a Boyd’s AT One with a 3-9x40 (this one is one that I think will need a better scope in future)
-Savage Mark II FV with a 4-12x40 (this one’s what I really want to see at the 100 as at 25 I shooting under 1/4” groups with SK Flat Nose Match)
-Savage Axis II stainless in .223 also has a 4-12x40

My plan is to replace the scope on the A22 but if 12x is not enuff to really tell where I’m hitting on paper with the 22lr or .223 I’d likely get a higher power scope for the Mark II or Axis and take the 4-12 onto the A22

Obviously I just need to be patient till I can get tk the 100 yard range and try one of the 12x scopes guns and see if it works. But figured it would hurt to ask here as well.

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Not certain what you are aiming at?? Is a thing in certain circles to aim at one thing/place and build your group at a different place - therefore your aiming point does not change. Its usually harder to see holes on black than it is on white.

I was shown many years ago to aim at a 2" or so white square with heavy black outline - your scope crosshairs form 4 white squares - I found it uncanny how easily it was to see when the squares were not equal - so actually not aiming at "anything", but I found to be very repeatable sighting - can aim at same place each time.
 
The quality of your optic will make more of a difference than the magnification.

I can clearly see the holes with a high end scope on 2x or 3x
I usually like having my scopes at 8-12x for normal range shooting.

Only going higher than that for 400+ yards.
 
I would not expect to see individual 22 cal holes at 100yds with anything less than a decent quality 12× scope except in perfect conditions.
 
I've got a nikon m-223 that i can see .224 holes in paper at 100 meters. although it can be difficult to pick out the holes if they are in a black target. you may want to try using a "shoot -n-see" type target with the scopes you have. you can get then in 2 or 3 inch sizes.
 
Daver_II said:
The quality of your optic will make more of a difference than the magnification.
I can clearly see the holes with a high end scope on 2x or 3x
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You've got some exceptional vision to see .22 holes at 3x even with quality glass, very fortunate.
 
I spot for guys shooting 6.5 creedmore at a 300 meters target with my delta javelin, bought it to see my .22 hole at 100 meters and beyond.
 
Grantmac said:
I would not expect to see individual 22 cal holes at 100yds with anything less than a decent quality 12× scope except in perfect conditions.
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^this

Obviously, vision/quality of glass/weather conditions/size of hole being printed on paper all have an impact on how well you're able to see holes @ 100 yards. For my eyes, and the quality of glass in my budget-range=12X is about the minimum req for seeing holes at 100 yards. I actually use it @ 50 most of the time as well. Other than a red dot, I only have 1 scope under 12X..most have magnification higher than that at the top end.
 
.22LRGUY said:
^this

Obviously, vision/quality of glass/weather conditions/size of hole being printed on paper all have an impact on how well you're able to see holes @ 100 yards. For my eyes, and the quality of glass in my budget-range=12X is about the minimum req for seeing holes at 100 yards. I actually use it @ 50 most of the time as well. Other than a red dot, I only have 1 scope under 12X..most have magnification higher than that at the top end.
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The target is also important.

Clean, light grey, thick paper, mounted on black foam, in good light, makes it very easy to see holes.
 
I had the same scope on one of my rifles for a while.

It is really a low price scope with low grade optics. That's why its so affordable and why you are not happy with the results. You don't need more magnification, you need better resolution.

When it comes to scopes you simply get what you pay for.

Here's the good news though for the OP...

Tinybear you have the where with all to notice! Many do not. You have a discerning eye for detail and that will help you eventually acquire the gear of sufficient quality to meet your standards.
 
Hey tinybear

We shoot .17 HMR & .22lr . our range is 60 mtrs , 100 mtrs & 120 mtrs.
I don't use a spotting scope therefore my rifle scopes are a minimum
Bushnell DMR 3.5-21X50 which is good for the .22 and to spot .17 HMR @ 120 mtrs
I have a Delta Javelin 4.5-30x56 & Bushnell Forge 4.5-27x50.

I find to spot .17 HMR shots at 60 mtrs I like at least a 16 power.

For a distance of 200 + mtrs I have a Bullseye Target Camera.

My eyes aren't bad but I am over 50 yrs.
 

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My 10/22 wears a simple Crossfire II 3-9x and at full magnification I can make out the holes alright. Occasionally some will land near writing or a logo or something and disappear but the same scope in 4-12x makes it dead easy to see (I have one on a 257 Wby).

I was at the range today breaking in a new Winchester XPR and the Primary Arms 1-6 did a good enough job, the gun was dead stable on bags so I was able to make out the 30-cal holes in the paper. That's pushing it for me though. I would say 6x is the bare minimum for 100 yard centerfire and 9x for rimfire or .22-cal.

More is better and optical quality will help make those holes jump out at you (a Vortex Crossfire isn't amazing at that, compared to a Diamondback which has enough quality to make them more obvious). Most of my mid-range scopes are plenty fine for that (Athlon Argos, Vortex Viper/Strike Eagle, Loopy VX-3I, Burris Signature all pass the "sight test" for range and field work).
 
So would something like a crossfire II 6-18 be sufficient? Don’t have a lot to invest into this and 100yard range is furthest i have access to shoot.


Thinking I could go that route for the Savage Axis .223 and keep the 4-12 bushnells for the savage 22s.
 
I use a VX freedom 4-12 40 on my takedown. Works good to 100yrds.

Using a Primary arms GLX 4-16x50 on another 10/22 out to 200 yrds. The Sightron STAC 4-20 works pretty great as well out to 200 yrds.
 
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