"magnumitis"

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Ardent said:
One recurring theme I see is shooters assuming their own limitations apply equally to others. I recommend .270s as the ideal mountain hunting rifle to clients booking mountain hunts, but plenty of .300 Win Kimbers and the like make the trip and work great too. Better, admittedly, by enough margin you notice it, but not enough I’d personally carry the extra weight or feel I was missing out with a .270. Weight’s more of a concern than the recoil as the .300s are generally heavier rifles in most brands. And yet plenty of .300 ultra mags show up, that are fairly light. Whatever you shoot, just shoot it often, people master far, far meaner rifles than light .300s. A 7 3/4lb .300 is pretty well the standard BC mountain rifle.
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I have nothing against magnums, but I will happily shoot a target at 300 yds 100 times with a 7 3/4 pound 270 next to someone with a same weight 300 for money.
The single largest gadget I’ve seen added to rifles in the last five years are muzzle brakes. I wonder why.
 
chuck nelson said:
I have nothing against magnums, but I will happily shoot a target at 300 yds 100 times with a 7 3/4 pound 270 next to someone with a same weight 300 for money.
The single largest gadget I’ve seen added to rifles in the last five years are muzzle brakes. I wonder why.
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Muzzle brakes have become popular with long range shooting/hunting, and PRS, lots of 6.5 and 6mm breaked now. Spot hits and get back on target. It’s not just a gadget specific to magnums.
 
chuck nelson said:
I have nothing against magnums, but I will happily shoot a target at 300 yds 100 times with a 7 3/4 pound 270 next to someone with a same weight 300 for money.
The single largest gadget I’ve seen added to rifles in the last five years are muzzle brakes. I wonder why.
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Wow, now a 300WM is a bruiser. Out here in BC when you are hunting by yourself there are several animals that a 270 is a bit light for. If you are guided, see if your guide carries a 270? Sure it can work. Just like the dumbass that is convinced it’s a good idea to pull his 35’ trailer with his F150. It works, until it doesn’t.
 
really.... some stupid post but I expected that.


I hunt with whatever I have decided is appropriate. I tend to use a 25-06 for deer, not a Magnum but them little bullets are really moving. Coyotes 22-250 again not a magnum but them little bullets are really moving.

Bigger game I have a rack of rifles to choose from I normally go to the 300WM, over open ground and longer ranges it has an advantage over most of the other rifles in my collection. a 200Grn Accubond moving at 2950fps is hard to argue with.

However for fun I picked up a 325WSM to play around with, perhaps next year I'll pull that one out, or I may go old school and pull out the Ross Model 1910 in 280 Ross, again not a magnum and no scope but I bet I'll get those bullets moving.

Now a friend just mentioned he is getting a 30-30AI reamer and I have a Savage 340 in 30-30 I could use pointed bullets as well, that might be old school hunting enough, perhaps in 2020 I'll use it, if we are still allowed by mr socks and his merry band of idiots to have guns by that point in time. At the rate they are going the won't be happy till were so broke that we will have to hunt wrapped in animal furs using a hand made bow and rocks. If they allow hunting.
 
Dogleg said:
I've yet to see a .270 show up in F Open. Not once. I think they're just scared to shoot against 6.5s, 7s and 30s when you keep score.
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Your right there, i don't think anyone on this thread would argue that. If the manufacturers put out faster twist barrels in 277 cal it could compete as well as anything else. For hunting it has as many bullets as most calliber's, actually more than some.
 
pete dobinson said:
Your right there, i don't think anyone on this thread would argue that. If the manufacturers put out faster twist barrels in 277 cal it could compete as well as anything else. For hunting it has as many bullets as most calliber's, actually more than some.
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Pete, you don't have to wait for manufactures to make faster twist barrels for the .277. You can have a barrel custom made to your needs, or wants.
 
emerson said:
Wow, now a 300WM is a bruiser. Out here in BC when you are hunting by yourself there are several animals that a 270 is a bit light for. If you are guided, see if your guide carries a 270? Sure it can work. Just like the dumbass that is convinced it’s a good idea to pull his 35’ trailer with his F150. It works, until it doesn’t.
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There is nothing big and nasty in BC that I won’t waid into here on a regular basis.
 
Dogleg said:
Kreger and Lilja make 1-8s, there's bound to be others.
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I never knew that, but can you get a factory rifle with an 8 twist? If there were an abundance of faster twist barrels in 277 cal I believe the bullet manufacturers would produce match bullets for it. It could be done, they just don't choose to.
 
There's a few match bullets too. Not tons , but some. The 170 ELO at .662 would be worth a try out off Bergers offering. I don't know if Matrix is still around. Sierra makes some lighter stuff.
 
chuck nelson said:
The illustrative point is that the affects of recoil are very real.
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I haven’t read all the posts in this thread but recoil is, in my opinion, 90% perception. I’ve got a 300 RUM that I can shoot sub MOA all day long and it doesn’t bother me a bit. My threshold starts with the 375 H&H, which I can handle off a bench in small amounts, the stout goose loads out of a 12 gauge are probably more detrimental to my marksmanship than anything else.

A friend of mine doesn’t like anything much bigger than a .243, my 300 is out of the question for him, and he’s not a small wimpy guy either.
 
coyoteking said:
True, but now you’re talking about very precise shooting situations, not hunting scenarios.

There are lots of competitions that also use the big magnums.
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I spend almost 3 days a week of gun range and here is what I see everytime:
  • 100% of 22lr, 223 and 22-250 shooters can shot 2-3" 5 shot groups at 100 yards,
  • 75-80% of 6.5mm, 7mm and 30 cal (6.5CM, 7-08, 7Rem Mag, 308, 270, 30-06) medium power cartridge shooters also shot 2-3" 5 shot groups at 100 yards,
  • and barely 50% of shooters using high powered magnums can't hit a 12" x 12" target at 100 yards from a bench
  • (of course the other 50% shoot as well as the the 308 and 30-06 guys)
It's so bad that I don't know if I should laugh or cry!!!

On final statistics, only 23% of US army 7.62 shooters reached expert marksman while 45% of US army 5.56 shooters reached expert marksman.
(Also, do look up David Tubb's opinion on recoil and hunting :

A quick and humane kill is the goal, and--face it--you don't always hit where you aim.
I'd always rather have more power than not enough, but it comes with a price.
The smaller-capacity cartridges have recoil that is much more palatable.
Recoil is a big factor in one's ability to fire an accurate shot under pressure.
The less the recoil (and noise), the more likely a well-executed shot can be accomplished.
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