Greenhorse six
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I think I'll start to carry a Bolt over ride tool in my range bag.
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blaxsun
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My money is on this. Maybe a commercial stock on a mil-spec tube, too...
Clobbersauras
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Yeah, good point, I didn't think of that, but makes sense.
CarbineOne
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I think I'll start to carry a Bolt over ride tool in my range bag.
You have one. It's called your finger. Or really anything you can use to just push the carrier back (a stick, a pen, etc.)
I didn't miss the point. I was just mocking the fact that immediately after pointing out that he probably couldn't be heard yelling "stoppage", you recommended yelling "cover".
If he can't be heard yelling one, he can't be heard yelling the other. Just work off the fact that the guy's not shooting any more.
CarbineOne
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I thought it was a funny comment.
A - "STOPPAGE!"
B - "WHAT?"
A - "COVER!"
B - "Oh okay, gotcha dude, don't have to yell"
mebiuspower
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I don't always shoot AR-15's. But when I do, I use an A2 stock.
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I think I'll start to carry a Bolt over ride tool in my range bag.
You have the best tool available for this in the weapon itself. Its called the magazine. It will not slip, get an "owey" or pinched and is as good as any specialty product on the market and you usually have lots of them on hand. The most convenient one being the one you need to remove from the gun anyhow.
Ohhh TDC, lord of the underworld...
Clobbersauras
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Could you explain this further please?
That's what I don't get. I would say that 38 out of 40 shooters that turn up at Borden for the CQB matches shoot collapsible stocks. I'm only 6' tall, and don't have simian-length arms, and I found the LoP with my collapsible so short that I installed an A2, and I'm still waiting for some lengthening-bits to come in the mail from Brownells.
I have a proper stance, grip, etc.
Why aren't more average-sized guys finding those collapsibles too short? It's not like all the guys I see running them have an inch of gear between their shoulder and their butstock.
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You're right, you likely won't hear a verbal command, but it never hurts to use them anyway. Even if it is heard it requires zero return response so you will never know if your teammate(s) heard it anyway. Again, my point is, if you're going to yell something, keep it simple. The word "cover" is a universal response to any form of stoppage be it mechanical or human.
I won't say you or anyone else is doing it wrong, but I have a buddy who's 6'4" who runs his stock either collapsed or one click out with zero issues. I've seen many other tall shooters who run their stocks no more than 2 clicks out. I suspect for some, the issue stems from the "traditional" feel of fixed stocks on hunting rifles and shotguns. Which incidentally are far too long as well unless you wish to blade your stance. Collapsible stocks aren't standard issue and common place in the MIL/LE/private sector because they look cool. Collapsible stocks solve a real problem faced by most, a stock that's too long.
On a side note, have a look at the videos online of folks like LAV, Kyle Lamb, Costa and Haley, Paul Howe. The aforementioned folks run their stocks two clicks out or three. Even Jason Falla who shoots from a somewhat bladed position is only running his stock at what looks to be position 3, and most of these guys are in the 6 foot range. I'm sure many here have seen the Magpul Dynamics series, if you notice, even the tall guys(and shorter guys) are running their stocks no more than 3 clicks out.
TDC
Clobbersauras
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I'm 6,2" and I use a collapsible stock as short as I can make it. But I square my shoulders to the target. If you use a "shotgunners" stance you will find it way too short. If you square your shoulders to the target, you will find the that A2 is way too long. There's reasons to use both but I don't think it matters as long as you are comfortable and get hits.
Shotgunners stance:
Squared stance or whatever they friggen call it:
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You are correct. I'm 5'9" and the A2 stock is just fine, no issues at all. I've tried them all over the past 20+ years.
I have an A2 stock on all my AR's and my Swiss Arms.
My Swiss:
My National Match AR and my M-16A4 clone:
Thanks for the post, Clob. The pics especially.
I'm usually standing square to the target with my AR, and still find it a bit short. The support-hand seems like it's too close in as well.
I've watched both of MagPul's Carbine videos a couple of times. I think those guys are both pretty short. Travis might be about 6', but Costa looks stunty to me. LAV has that extra inch of 'gear' I was talking about. So I think I might just have freakishly long arms.
I guess whatever you're comfortable with is fine. I'm shooting pretty good with the A2, so I think I'll keep it.
It feels a little less like a toy too.
I'm usually standing square to the target with my AR, and still find it a bit short. The support-hand seems like it's too close in as well.
I've watched both of MagPul's Carbine videos a couple of times. I think those guys are both pretty short. Travis might be about 6', but Costa looks stunty to me. LAV has that extra inch of 'gear' I was talking about. So I think I might just have freakishly long arms.
I guess whatever you're comfortable with is fine. I'm shooting pretty good with the A2, so I think I'll keep it.
It feels a little less like a toy too.
I think what TDC may be referring to regarding the 'square stance' is how some shooting schools advocate standing square to the target with the stock on your pectoral muscle rather than the traditional shoulder pocket. Typically used for CQB type shooting. Add a plate carrier and other equipment, and you may need to shorten the stock.
Like everything else if your technique works for fast accurate shots, use it.
Like everything else if your technique works for fast accurate shots, use it.
