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greentips said:
I want to see tactical musical - like a tactical version of Moulin Rogue!
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Now you've done it. I can't get the image of girls in tactical corsets performing burlesque with AR-15s out of my head. With the piano man being an IPSC shooter, who starts by sitting and playing piano with the pistol on top of the piano. And Travis Haley on the side is in charge of tactical lighting, and flashes his primary and secondary surefires in tune with the music.

And there are tactical beer shingles for everyone in the audience.

On a serious note, though. Why are people so upset with Magpul? You watch their DVD (or attend their class if you can), you learn something, you work on it, and decide if you like it and if you do, you keep it. If not, you discard it, and move on to other trainer or other drill.

For example I was looking at some of the Viking Tactics videos on youtube, and recalled that the Vtac guys do not communicate pretty much at all in the drills that they do. Without seeing Magpul "Check?" "Ok"/"Hold" "Ready" drills, I would have thought that that's normal to just scream "reloading", and start reloading the primary. But thanks to Magpul DVDs now I know that other folks' training has weaknesses too. But is all of, say, Vtac's training bad because they don't communicate well? No. It too has elements that are worth practicing and getting good at. Same with Magpul. But they are up front about it, and Magpul guys also are not afraid to change and get better with time too.
 
Am I the only one that looks at this and sees man children just trying to live out their commando fantasies?
 
greentips said:
Tactical Response tried to make cool videos by putting people behind the target - but Magpul Dynamics totally punked everyone in real production professionalism and values.
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Tactical Response didn't PUT anyone ahead of the firing line, the individual in question CHOSE to put themselves there. Was it the smartest idea? Clearly no. Is their benefits and/or circumstances where one needs to be down range while training or otherwise? For sure. If you don't feel comfortable with the risk, don't do it. Just don't bag on those who are willing to accept the risk.

TDC
 
Here's a pic from a tactical response class in China...

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TDC said:
Tactical Response didn't PUT anyone ahead of the firing line, the individual in question CHOSE to put themselves there. Was it the smartest idea? Clearly no. Is their benefits and/or circumstances where one needs to be down range while training or otherwise? For sure. If you don't feel comfortable with the risk, don't do it. Just don't bag on those who are willing to accept the risk.

TDC
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Yeah...if the goals of being down range are the following, however:

1) get some cool pics (secondary goal)

2) make people on the course feel super badass because they are shooting on a range with real live people on it, just like Strike Force Cobra Unit does (primary goal)

then that individual and that organization can, in my opinion, be reasonably called idiots.

Granted that is not a professional opinion, just some things I observed in that debacle.
 
TDC said:
Tactical Response didn't PUT anyone ahead of the firing line, the individual in question CHOSE to put themselves there. Was it the smartest idea? Clearly no. Is their benefits and/or circumstances where one needs to be down range while training or otherwise? For sure. If you don't feel comfortable with the risk, don't do it. Just don't bag on those who are willing to accept the risk.

TDC
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Please spare me.

Down Range drills are common place in certain training, however no one places someone downrange when they don't need to be.
I've gone down range and taken pictures when BigRed and I where training Iraqi's - as it was a confidence booster for them, both to shoot and knowning that we where trusting of both their skills and loyalty to go down range, that said I dont go downrange CONUS for pictures.
I've done downrange drill is Shoot Houses, and other training, but its nothign something done to get cheap pics.

I worry about anyone who thinks that increasing the risk in any training for NO GOOD REASON. We try RISK MANAGEMENT AND RISK MITIGATION for reasons.
Its not about being a macho man and showing your cool enough to go down between targets.

Regarding the communication on MD classes, versus Viking Tactics. Kyle Lamb (VTAC) was a CAG shooter -- like LAV (Vickers Tactical) and Paul Howe (CSAT) - neither of those two are big on the communication of stoppages and reloading - as the theory is during a gun fight - if your primary goes down, you've immediately gone to secondary - and when you shooting and explosiions are happening, your not going to hear much unless you send it over the air - and then your sending info no especially critical to the ground fight and may be stepping on more critical info being passed.
Verbal communication is good, but if you have a stoppage you've probably taken a knee (if your beyond immediate transition range) and that is a visual picture your teammates can identify, plus before your getting back up you've got to get a visual that is GTG to get up anyway (as your going really asking to take one in the melon if you just shout out and stand up)


A video or a class is not going to make you a gunfighter overnight. Seek out the best training you can, and practice practice practise.
 
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