Mags pinned too high?

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Inquiry about magazines, as I'm sure somebody else has encountered this before and even discussed it here, but the search engine isn't helping me.

I have some 5/30 magazines I'm using right now in my rifle having transitioned from LAR mags, as I like the bigger magazine and don't load more than five anyway since this is for Service Rifle. The issue I'm having is the mags don't seat in the magwell and click in if they're loaded to five rounds on a closed bolt. At four rounds, no problem. If the bolt is back, no problem. If they're fully loaded and the bolt is closed, they will seat, but they need a pretty sharp strike to the base to click in. It also makes the magazine release stiff.

It's only an issue in very specific circumstances but I don't want to be worrying about it during courses of fire.

Am I correct in assuming this is because the rivet is too high on the magazines, or is it something else? And what can I do to fix it? Do they break in over time, or is there something I can do about it?

Thanks for any help.
 
I belt sanded about a mm off the bottom of the follower to fix that problem. Just don't take too much.
 
How do you remove the follower if the rivet keeps him in the mag??? I tried to remove my followers and they would come out. The rivet is keeping them trapped inside the mag. How you do this?
 
Yeah, I'm not sure why riveting by the importer or the retailer is apparently so hard to figure out.

I bought a pair of .45 cal Glock stick mags from a pretty big retailer, advertized as pinned at 10 rds, and they arrived, easliy able to swallow 12 .45 ACP rounds....
 
Cpt.Flan said:
How do you remove the follower if the rivet keeps him in the mag??? I tried to remove my followers and they would come out. The rivet is keeping them trapped inside the mag. How you do this?
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You'll need to drill out the rivet, disassemble...file down the follower to correct length, reassemble and re-rivet. Easy peasy...except for those 5 minutes when your mags might jump off the table and go on a killing spree.
 
Brordo said:
You'll need to drill out the rivet, disassemble...file down the follower to correct length, reassemble and re-rivet. Easy peasy...except for those 5 minutes when your mags might jump off the table and go on a killing spree.
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You'll be shocked to realize that if you do this in your basement and don't tell anyone, you won't go to jail.... Put your big boy pants on and fix your mag.
 
Also,

There are a couple of options for extended base plates for the LAR mags that make them 30 round length too and LARs are now good to go for NSCC (still only loaded to 5 though). Fix your 5/30s but you have options for your LARs to match dimensions of the 30 rounder so they can be easily pulled from standard mag pouches and used as a mono-pod.

S&J makes them out of aluminum for like $30 a pop and I can't for the life of me remember the other guy who does it. Those are polymer but I hear good reviews of them. I personally would go that route if I get more LARs that I want to extend.
 
Polymer extensions are GS Designs. Check the EE, in parts section. I have some, and they work great. You can choose colours too, so pick something that stands out if it falls in the tall grass.
 
Tried to find a youtube video of someone doing this repair as a future reference but couldn't find it. Usually you can find pretty much any repair or cleaning instructions on there. Anyone got anything?
 
You don't need a video. Just pull the follower out and trim a 1/16th" or an 1/8th" off it and put it back together with a rivet in the same hole.
 
I was having similar lock-in problems with one P mag and one time it happened when I was with a highly skilled "active service guy", an instructor in fact. I was fumbling around with it and complaining and he just looked at me and said "slam it in." OK, he actually said "For ---- sake, slam the ----er in!" Which I did, and which worked. In fact, after a couple of more times of thumping it, the problem went away. I can't say that's always the solution, but it was in that case. The lesson learned: I was babying a rifle and a magazine that didn't need babying.

In the case of the magazine in question, I'd taken it apart for some reason and I was thinking the spring got caught up on the rivet in a way that was tilting the follower slightly. Never got to check that theory because as I said another resolution came along.
 
This raises an important question about these infamous rivets: are they really legally necessary as the only approved way to limit AR magazines? I know that Magpul for one sells limiters that fit inside their P mags that wouldn't create the stupid problems the rivets do. But no dealer I've talked to will even consider the matter for a second.
 
The magpul blocks say right on the packaging that they do not meet the legal requirements for limiting a magazines capacity.

I'm sure there are other ways to "pin" a mag permanantly, but a rivet is certainly the easiest and cheapest way to do it.
 
BooSSted said:
The magpul blocks say right on the packaging that they do not meet the legal requirements for limiting a magazines capacity.
I'm sure there are other ways to "pin" a mag permanantly, but a rivet is certainly the easiest and cheapest way to do it.
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That could be a fact under Canadian legislation, or just a legal disclaimer.
 
I don't think there is such a thing as a "Fact" under Canadian firearms laws, lol

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they won't work under our laws. They can be easily removed from the mag without tools, so convincing someone that it is a permanent modification will be tough. With that being said, if you could find a way to permantly attach the mag block inside the mag, then you would probably be ok. But can't think of a way that you could do that and be better off that using a tradition rivet.
 
BooSSted said:
I don't think there is such a thing as a "Fact" under Canadian firearms laws, lol

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they won't work under our laws. They can be easily removed from the mag without tools, so convincing someone that it is a permanent modification will be tough. With that being said, if you could find a way to permantly attach the mag block inside the mag, then you would probably be ok. But can't think of a way that you could do that and be better off that using a tradition rivet.
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Yes exactly. While I feel the same way, there's just a chance that we're imposing this rivet problem on ourselves unnecessarily. I'll try talking to some local firearms officers.
 
to my understanding the mag blocks don't fit requirements in the US for certain states that require magazine restrictions. i don't ever recall reading anything that would suggest that that is the case here in Canada as well. that said i don't believe any manufacturer has made a mag block to 5 rounds. last i checked all the ones i could find were to 10 rounds.
 
The law is pretty clear on what is legal... The rest isn't

https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/regu/sor-98-462/latest/sor-98-462.html
(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
 
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