Make a non-restricted firearm at home
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The thing now is, with no longgun registry, it can be done easier. If you make them and sell them, how would they know? I am planning on making one myself quite soon, but it would be for me, and me alone. If I changed my mind later and sold it, the gov wouldn't really have anyway of knowing. As well, I understand that even when the LGR was active, they didn't seem to mind if you made one or two, they seemed to have a bit of leeway.
Im guessing you cant bend a shovel into an ak receiver?
And how much if any of a firearm could you Manufacture without a manufacturing license?
Stocks
Sight
Bolts
Triggers
Block of metal that resembles a receiver with a jig that has a refundable core charge that one could use to mill out the final features?
And how much if any of a firearm could you Manufacture without a manufacturing license?
Stocks
Sight
Bolts
Triggers
Block of metal that resembles a receiver with a jig that has a refundable core charge that one could use to mill out the final features?
Of couse you can form an AKM receiver from any suitable piece of sheet steel.
Unfortunately, you would be manufacturing a prohibited firearm, even if you only made the receiver. So while you can do it, legally you may not.
A private person cannot make a prohibited firearm, even if he has 12-x classes on his PAL.
An individual can make any and all parts for a restricted or non-restricted fiream, as long as he holds a PAL with appropriate endorsement.
A restricted firearm would have to be registered, of course.
Unfortunately, you would be manufacturing a prohibited firearm, even if you only made the receiver. So while you can do it, legally you may not.
A private person cannot make a prohibited firearm, even if he has 12-x classes on his PAL.
An individual can make any and all parts for a restricted or non-restricted fiream, as long as he holds a PAL with appropriate endorsement.
A restricted firearm would have to be registered, of course.
As nice as it would be to make a shovel ak (very cool video about that) you are restricted to stay within the confines of you licence so if you have a PAL you can make most NR firearms there is some conditions semi-autos and if you have an RPAL you can make restricted but proper registering and a lot of dealing with the CFO needs to be done paperwork and RCMP making sure it can't be made full auto. So if you just have a PAL you are free to make 26'' oal guns with 18.5'' barrels (I'd stick to 18.75 or 19 to avoid hassle from authorities on exact length) in single fire, bolt or pump actions but there is a bit of grey area with semis.
What makes it and ak or variant not a +26" oal long barreled semi auto lee vally japanese zen spade?
Moving parts inside?
What it thats a snap on socket for a bolt and a trigger group off a cooey?
Whats gray about semi autos?
Revolving carbine?
Semi auto cobeling with guts from an assortment of non restricted firearms?
Moving parts inside?
What it thats a snap on socket for a bolt and a trigger group off a cooey?
Whats gray about semi autos?
Revolving carbine?
Semi auto cobeling with guts from an assortment of non restricted firearms?
AK variants are whatever the RCMP decides, they could be just looks but usually it's internal mechanics but again depends on who is determining whether it is or not a variant. As for a revolving carbine what I was told is that it needs to be unable to have the stalk converted to a pistol grip and again the longer barrel but even then it can be iffy if the person who evaluates it say it is still to close to a pistol. The gray part about semi autos is many basic designs can easily be converted to full auto and thus become prohibited so if it is found that it is homemade the RCMP can evaluate how easy it can be made full auto, if they think it can be then they will confiscate it so for semi's it's best to have all stages observed by the CFO to insure it is legal.
When I wanted to make one about 10 years ago I called my cfo and he gave me a # to call for info, it was a gentleman with the rcmp and he told me I could make one , how to get it verified and registered at the time .
He also told me it COULD NEVER BE SOLD but could be inherited once I was gone maybe things have changed since then, you also need a valid pal.
He also told me it COULD NEVER BE SOLD but could be inherited once I was gone maybe things have changed since then, you also need a valid pal.
To me, the crux of the matter is not whether you can make (no problem) or sell (anything you own can be sold, with liability), it is
to whom you sell it. Even though there are no registration requirements on unrestricted firearms except in Quebec, "if" it was determined
that you sold the firearm to an unlisensed (no PAL) purchaser, you could be in trouble, particularly if he did something bad with the weapon.
to whom you sell it. Even though there are no registration requirements on unrestricted firearms except in Quebec, "if" it was determined
that you sold the firearm to an unlisensed (no PAL) purchaser, you could be in trouble, particularly if he did something bad with the weapon.
That, in bold, would have been one of those moments where the right thing to do would have been to ask for the reference material that states that.
Before Bill C68 rewrote and superseded a whole LOT of gun laws, there were quite a few laws relating to firearms manufacture and making on the books, as well as some pretty clear requirements for licensing for being a manufacturer, etc.
Most of the laws that said you could not make your own guns, went away when C68 was put in force.
For the most part (like the exclusion of being able to make a prohibited firearm) if you can own it, you can make it. If it requires registration, you must register it. It requires that you register it "When It Becomes a Firearm", which is ill defined, but essentially amounts to "when the RCMP says it has become one", so tread lightly, and get paper on it as soon in the game as you can afford to, lest you suddenly require a lawyer.
Lacking any better source to reference against, there seems to have been a lot of looking South at their system for dealing with self-made guns. As an example, the ATF views an AR forging as becoming a firearm, when the work on the fire control group cut-out begins, not when the Lower is first able to fire a round. So I have read, anyway.
The guys that have done so, say that the RCMP is willing to discuss your plans and will inform you of the "when". If you are doing something outside the previous experiences (theirs), or they may require that you send in the finished product so they can verify that it cannot be easily made full auto (eg: semi auto Sten Gun carbines, etc.)
The difference between making your own, and being a Manufacturer, is poorly defined too, but if you were, say, registering 4 or 5 AR's each month, for any length of time, or you were found to be producing and selling the same style rifle action, again and again, I believe they would be more inclined to think of you as a manufacturer, than as a hobbyist who was making some space for the next, different project.
The full set of Canadian Laws is available online to search through and read. Best if you do so. Just because it is not in the Laws, has not stopped some things from becoming Policy, so be prepared for that too. (eg: the requirement to be a member of a club to get a restricted transfer)
Have fun. Deburr the sharp edges, eh!
Cheers
Trev
So if you made a non restricted would you be obligated to show it to anyone? Its not being registered. If you can own it you can make it?
I dont see revolving carbines mentioned, technicly its semi
Auto. I know thats the excuse for the taurus but they do make a pistol with that frame
I cant see LE questioning the status of antique looking carbine if wandering the bush with one.
To the anti a 858 might as well be a 47 in the bush and people do that lots.
An AR id be careful, but i wouldnt waste the hours of labor on making such a cookie cutter rifle.
But if hunting with an ar is your dream and you could figure out how to stick some other operating junk into a dimentional replica of an AR you could be building what looks like a AR and it should be non restricted, like a su16 but not all junky
I dont see revolving carbines mentioned, technicly its semi
Auto. I know thats the excuse for the taurus but they do make a pistol with that frame
I cant see LE questioning the status of antique looking carbine if wandering the bush with one.
To the anti a 858 might as well be a 47 in the bush and people do that lots.
An AR id be careful, but i wouldnt waste the hours of labor on making such a cookie cutter rifle.
But if hunting with an ar is your dream and you could figure out how to stick some other operating junk into a dimentional replica of an AR you could be building what looks like a AR and it should be non restricted, like a su16 but not all junky
Non-restricted, no, no obligation to show it to anyone. It is just the same as any other firearm, don't do stupid things with it, and you get treated as an adult.
Where do you get that a revolving carbine is a semi? Huh? It's a revolver. At worst, you could call it a revolving repeating rifle. If you needed a bigger mouthful of words. An interesting novelty, but not a practical use of ones's time, either, for a personal opinion.
You cannot convert a handgun into a rifle either. Once a handgun, always a handgun, as far as the system is concerned. There are a fiar few owners of rifles that were made on Remington XP100 actions that can attest to that. Looks like a rifle, but Restricted. Stupid, but true.
A Browning Buckmark, is a semi, as is a Ruger 10-22. Neither are revolvers. Neither are handguns nor are they restricted firearms. You will be in a world of hurt if you hacksawed off the integral frame of the buckmark, and you will never get a Ruger Charger action de-registered, under the current crop of rules.
The Techs have already decreed that if it looks like an AR on the outside, it is a "Variant", no matter what it has inside, or how few parts it has that interchange. So that's a non-starter. That would include, as examples, the Smith and Wesson .22 rimfire AR lookalike, and the .22 rimfire lookalikes of the H&K MP5, nether of which share anything other than outside looks with their 'originals'.
Cheers
Trev
The OP specifically asked about non-restricted, and there was mention that the project should be unquestionably non-restricted.
It the results have an appearance that attracts official attention, it will be the good folks in Ottawa who will decide if the thing qualifies as non-restricted.
It the results have an appearance that attracts official attention, it will be the good folks in Ottawa who will decide if the thing qualifies as non-restricted.
Thanks for the interest and replies, guys. Very helpful and pretty much reinforces what I already figured to be true.
I'm still in the researching and planning phase as it is, but I'll likely have more gunsmithing questions in the future.
I think once it's complete I'll show it to a gunsmith and see what his opinion is.
I'm still in the researching and planning phase as it is, but I'll likely have more gunsmithing questions in the future.
I think once it's complete I'll show it to a gunsmith and see what his opinion is.
For the most part, as long as you stay away from gray areas, you won't have much to worry about.
Gray areas, being things like trying to build an AR type rifle and have it be a non-variant, or the AK from a shovel, kinds of things.
If you wanted to go down those roads, careful, and with advance notice to the system would be the word.
Otherwise, it's just metalworking, and minor engineering type decisions, like what types of steel you wish to use, etc.
Not rocket science or brain surgery, even if some believe it to be.
Do as many have done before. Steal every suitable good idea out there that fits with where you wish to end up, and keep enough notes so that you can figure out how you got to wherever you do, after the fact.
Cheers
Trev
Gray areas, being things like trying to build an AR type rifle and have it be a non-variant, or the AK from a shovel, kinds of things.
If you wanted to go down those roads, careful, and with advance notice to the system would be the word.
Otherwise, it's just metalworking, and minor engineering type decisions, like what types of steel you wish to use, etc.
Not rocket science or brain surgery, even if some believe it to be.
Do as many have done before. Steal every suitable good idea out there that fits with where you wish to end up, and keep enough notes so that you can figure out how you got to wherever you do, after the fact.
Cheers
Trev
