Make sure you have trigger locks -story time

An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is

(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.


Since it was disassembled the bolt was removed. It was legally stored under the law.

I am surprised that there are judges and users on this board who don’t know this.
 
FatCatsDad said:
Yup, the laws are stupid, trigger lock on a stripped frame, etc, absolutely stupid..
The world has gone crazy.
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Yes most of the Canadian gun laws are stupid, that doesn't mean we get to ignore them without consequence. Restricted firearms needing a trigger lock when in the same cabinet as a non-restricted is stupid. Not being able to hunt with a restricted is stupid. OIC prohibiting all MSW is stupid. Prohibited class is stupid. Impossible to get a CCW is stupid. Needing a range membership to get a restricted transferred is stupid.
 
angrysoldier said:
You guys always jump to " there is more yo the story". Sometimes there just is not more. Tin foil is thick here
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Not jumping here but need a detail.
Myself I didn't see typed here what province this situation unfolded. Example, when in Nova Scotia the trigger lock on a non restricted long gun is a must apparently. Most of Canada this does not readily apply for mere long guns.
Our tartan brethren seem to be rabid about this....almost restricted actually.
 
It was a lawyer job. Defending yourself is-was a bad idea.
You know that your ex can be prosecuted for such a lie.
Get a lawyer and get your right restored. I never heard of such a story, wondering if it’s even true.
Would have been very easy for a lawyer to kill this.
 
hsatimmy said:
Sounds like a lawyer was needed. not sure how you could get from point A to B in this story without a number of details being explained.
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I used to do all the PR work for a criminal defence firm. Most of the legal work is done before the hearing date unfortunately, and it sounds like OP showed up on a hearing date without any of the preparatory steps completed.
 
thegazelle said:
Yup. A number of years ago when I was going through my separation and divorce and my ex and I were still living in the same house, albeit in a rotating nesting arrangement - one time I thought she was out of the house (as she should have been on the schedule) and I came home from shooting and my range bag and ammo case were in the trunk of my SUV. I went inside to use the washroom before bringing my stuff in. I had no idea the ex was in the house. I was out of my car for maybe 5-7 minutes and the car was parked in my driveway. In that time she went into my car, into my range bag and snopped around and took out a magazine which had rounds in it (guns was all locked in hard cases with trigger locks on them as well). When I got out of the washroom to go back to the car, there she was in my sUV hatch/trunk going through my stuff and I told her to get out as it wasn't her time in the house, and she did.

Days later I get a call from the police that they want to see me. I go in and they produce the pistol mag with the rounds in it and said your ex found this lying on the floor. I said absolutely lies - I always take my range bag and ammo case directly back into the house after shooting. In this one case I had to go to the washroom and so I did and came back out to get my stuff. Ex should not have been there. Cop said she said it was on the floor. I told him honestly how stupid does that sound? I am going through a contentious divorce - I am very careful and lock everything up. But then the cops tell me ex said I did not own a handgun and so what was I doing with this pistol mag. I told him there are PCCs that shoot pistol mags. This guy (older detective guy) had no idea what a PCC was and had to look it up on the internet. In the end, I got my mag back but it's a lesson learned to never even for a second, leave your gear unattended, even if you don't think anyone was around. Yes, I could have locked the SUV when I went into the house, but it was only for a few minutes while I had to do a number 2, and there wasn't supposed to be anyone in the house anyway. Lesson learned.
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It's an odd one for cop to make a fuss about too. Cartridges in a magazine on the floor does not = ammo stored on display with gun, nor loaded gun.

Separate from gun and a maximum explosive storage limit iirc is all our laws really require of ammo...
 
BigRobb said:
I knew the outcome of the story the second I read Facebook. Everyone’s life would improve if Facebook was removed from existence.
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I never understood many people's fascination with posting their daily life on Facebook. As if they are looking for some sort of immortality. Too many ways for that info to be used, shared, stolen and abused by others. Employers look at people's social media profiles. Looking for a government job or working for a company bidding on a government contract. Ex spouse, ex friend, family member, co-worker or business associate can all screw you over for any number of reasons. Bad mouth your company or post a picture of yourself doing something stupid or questionable can come back and bite you bigtime. Profiling by Facebook, data collection, etc, etc. Why would anyone willing sign up for that?
 
I knew the outcome of the story the second I read Facebook. Everyone’s life would improve if Facebook was removed from existence.
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StoneHorse said:
I never understood many people's fascination with posting their daily life on Facebook. As if they are looking for some sort of immortality. Too many ways for that info to be used, shared, stolen and abused by others. Employers look at people's social media profiles. Looking for a government job or working for a company bidding on a government contract. Ex spouse, ex friend, family member, co-worker or business associate can all screw you over for any number of reasons. Bad mouth your company or post a picture of yourself doing something stupid or questionable can come back and bite you bigtime. Profiling by Facebook, data collection, etc, etc. Why would anyone willing sign up for that?
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Like everything in life there is another side to the story. I post to facebook frequently but I am diligent in what i post. The nice thing about it is that there is a feature in the application called memories, where you end up getting the "this day in your life" story from years ago. When my wife passed away a few years back I am truly thankful for those facebook memories of our motorcycle trips and other travel stories, or just the state of the gardens on certain dates.

I get what you are saying but i am at a point in my life where I am not truly concerned about employers etc profiling me and as far as what i post, I am truly cognizant of anything that could be misinterpreted and come back to bite me. IT (facebook) has its use. I have reconnected with hundreds of people who have moved away and developed new relationships and interests through the application. Living in a small rural northern Ontario town social media is a conduit to the rest of the world if used properly and a source of information that you may not necessarily get from the regular media.
 
cattabliss said:
It's an odd one for cop to make a fuss about too. Cartridges in a magazine on the floor does not = ammo stored on display with gun, nor loaded gun.

Separate from gun and a maximum explosive storage limit iirc is all our laws really require of ammo...
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From the poster's own account of the scenario I see two reasons:
1. the officer thought he had an unregistered pistol because he had a loaded pistol mag
2. since the wife claimed the mag was on the floor, unsafe storage/handling of ammunition, which apparently is something you can be charged with. IIRC there was an article about it I read awhile back on the CSSA website about a hunter charged for having loose ammo in his car
 
cattabliss said:
I used to do all the PR work for a criminal defence firm. Most of the legal work is done before the hearing date unfortunately, and it sounds like OP showed up on a hearing date without any of the preparatory steps completed.
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Agreed, a lawyer that deals with firearms law would have solved this problem pretty quickly I would think.

It’s only going to get worse with the proposed Lieberal red flag threats coming up. More charges laid because it’s an easy way out for a ex with a vengeance streak and it’ll be up to the firearms owner to either defend themselves or get legal advice. Firearms Legal Defence insurance is pretty much a necessity now..
 
I hate to be that one guy. But due to both failing to buy insurance, and not representing yourself competently is what led to your outcome of losing your guns. Insurance would of got you a lawyer. Now you lose ypur property, and a hobby because you were to cheap to do the small payment yearly for insurance.
 
It does happen quite often. My youngest son went through a similar situation with his first wife and after the divorce he had a 7 year ban on owning firearms. (I have both PAL RPAL x-reservist so I bought his guns before the $hit hit the road).
Just think what would've happened if the roles were reversed. Would the police do the same thing with her?
 
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