Make sure you have trigger locks -story time

Thanks for letting us know this information, I never would have thought that this would be a problem but good to know. Sorry this happened to you.
 
Gofast240 said:
Oh man you had to add that didn’t ya. This day and age, now that the kids are old enough, I would sleep more comfortable with a full mag and one in the chamber on the night table.
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OMG,

don't you know that the government wants/needs you and your family to become (a) victim(s) so your story can be used for propagating a fear among and calls for the safety by the plebs?
if you repel an attacker by yourself - you are useless for the propaganda and may even encourage plebs thinking that they do not need the nanny-government for safety ...
plus, you will violate the rights of an attacker ...

your thinking is un-acceptable as it's un-Canadian ... it's probably racist too ...

LOL ...
 
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Wendell said:
Somehow, the OP believed that the lack of a triggergroup somehow absolved him of his legal obligations under the Regulations. People talk about triggerlocks and cablelocks, but the Firearms Act doesn't use those words at all. I would argue that it is this mistaken focus on words that don't exist in the Regulations which is the root of the problem that led to the OP getting jammed up.



Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR/98-209)
<https://www.laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/SOR-98-209.pdf>
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Lets review what the law says:
5 (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if

__(a) it is unloaded;

__(b) it is

____(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

____(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

____(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

__(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
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So, the trigger group is irrelevant in the eyes of the law. From the OP's description, it is unknown if the bolt or bolt carrier was removed at the time, but from his description that the gun was disassembled, ready for a reassembly video, I would guess the bolt and bolt carrier was removed. If so, it was stored in accordance with this portion of the FA. Careless storage may be a valid charge in this case, but that is a different charge.

The OP reported that the prosecutor argued that the rifle could easily be stolen. However, that was never the intent of the NR safe storage rules. A trigger lock or whatever will not deter theft. The rules are obviously intended for unauthorized use (from guests or non-licensed residents). A lawyer sure would have been a good idea for the OP. An experienced firearms lawyer probably would have cleared everything up quickly and cost less than $25,000.
 
A fascinating read. It is also remarkable that antiques firearms (even the handguns) are exempt from sections 5 to 13 the regulations, and only controlled by section 14. An unloaded antique could just be stored / displayed anywhere as I read it.
 
Brutus said:
Problem one: u have a Facebook account. I am guessing you might be 30 years of age, perhaps a bit less.
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So automatically their fault if they have a FB account? My parents in their 60s have an account, my grandmother at 85 has a account.

You can pick and choose your settings on FB. I have FB and I don't bother reading what Liberal bull#### is on it. I just use to to communicate with old friends, share stupid photos, and I choose who I share my profile with. I have it set to friends only, so no friends of friends can view it. It can be used for what it was intended for.
 
OkayShooter said:
So automatically their fault if they have a FB account? My parents in their 60s have an account, my grandmother at 85 has a account.

You can pick and choose your settings on FB. I have FB and I don't bother reading what Liberal bull#### is on it. I just use to to communicate with old friends, share stupid photos, and I choose who I share my profile with. I have it set to friends only, so no friends of friends can view it. It can be used for what it was intended for.
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Exactly what i use mine for. I am in late 60s and have had an account since it was "the facebook" and available to university people only. Just because you have a facebook account does not make you guilty, but that being said, you had better choose wisely what you post in today's environment.

Posting personal show off gun pics etc publicly is simply a recipe for someone to go all karen on you and if we have learned anything from this thread it is that it takes very little to end up in a heap of krap.
 
Gindryden said:
Exactly what i use mine for. I am in late 60s and have had an account since it was "the facebook" and available to university people only. Just because you have a facebook account does not make you guilty, but that being said, you had better choose wisely what you post in today's environment.

Posting personal show off gun pics etc publicly is simply a recipe for someone to go all karen on you and if we have learned anything from this thread it is that it takes very little to end up in a heap of krap.
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You can also say dumb #### on a forum and they find out who you are, do the same.
 
Odd Shot said:
It's why people put locks on their plain, stripped AR lower in their safe, as redundant and ridiculous as that may seem.
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People need to bear in mind that police, in Canada, are not here to "protect and serve". As it says on their emblem, they are here to enforce the charter, which is (by extension) enforcing the law. They are not your friends, and the general policy is to lay charges and let the courts "sort it out". It ends up being perverse in practice due to the hostility typically found in the judicial system (unless you're a repeat violent offender, of course), and the "process is the punishment". The spirit of the law is rarely enforced at the outset.

This is not to say I am against police, or hostile to their difficult work in any way, simply that one needs to cover one's arse and be as free from reproach as possible. Know the law better than police and have your butt covered.
 
4star60 said:
I don't now since pretty new here but the few times going to the range it just made sense trigger locks were on. Open the storage cabinet put the trigger locked restricteds in their cases for transport. No further handling at home.
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Going to the range trigger lock, locked in an opaque container seems like those blockheads wearing a mask by themself, in a car. If someone jacks the car, grabs the pelican box, cuts the lock, opens it, only to be defeated by a 4 dollar trigger lock. Laughable.
 
Rohann said:
People need to bear in mind that police, in Canada, are not here to "protect and serve". As it says on their emblem, they are here to enforce the charter, which is (by extension) enforcing the law. They are not your friends, and the general policy is to lay charges and let the courts "sort it out". It ends up being perverse in practice due to the hostility typically found in the judicial system (unless you're a repeat violent offender, of course), and the "process is the punishment". The spirit of the law is rarely enforced at the outset.

This is not to say I am against police, or hostile to their difficult work in any way, simply that one needs to cover one's arse and be as free from reproach as possible. Know the law better than police and have your butt covered.
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…..agree 200 percent with the above statement , sadly people in Canada don’t realize that we are governed by a legal system not a justice system which the US has . You will never be granted justice in Canada .
 
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OkayShooter said:
So automatically their fault if they have a FB account? My parents in their 60s have an account, my grandmother at 85 has a account.

You can pick and choose your settings on FB. I have FB and I don't bother reading what Liberal bull#### is on it. I just use to to communicate with old friends, share stupid photos, and I choose who I share my profile with. I have it set to friends only, so no friends of friends can view it. It can be used for what it was intended for.
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All I am saying is......we know social media is fill of wokist revolutionaries. Be offended all u wish with my observation. But bits true. Have a good one.
 
Brutus said:
All I am saying is......we know social media is fill of wokist revolutionaries. Be offended all u wish with my observation. But bits true. Have a good one.
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Its just as full of hard right trash as it is hard-left trash. Just look at how many people who took part in the Jan 6 Riot in the US got busted because they were on social media while around or even inside the building...

Moral of the story: Social Media is full of trash.

Also, CGN is social media. Just sayin'...
 
Brutus said:
All I am saying is......we know social media is fill of wokist revolutionaries. Be offended all u wish with my observation. But bits true. Have a good one.
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So are fourms. But just because a person uses facebook doesn't mean they're falling for the bull####. You can choose what you do on it.
 
Bigbubba said:
1-Never post anything (in fact dont even subscribe to )FB
2-Never allow F/U people like Ex's in your house
3-Never leave partial assembled firearms on the bench for days on end
4- NEVER say anything to the Police
5- ALWAYS get a good lawyer
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6- don't stick your #### in crazy.
 
I biggest problem I seen first was this guy figured he was an expert on firearms and even thought he could post a tutorial on a SKS even thou there is upteen thousands of them already.
 
OkayShooter said:
So are fourms. But just because a person uses facebook doesn't mean they're falling for the bull####. You can choose what you do on it.
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I don't like zuckerburger or his policies.
So I choose never to play his game by his rules.
It's a tool of the leftist elites.

And it's rusdian roulette putting your name out there with our chosen hobby.
The OP got bit by his own handiwork.

If u don't or cannot, or will not recognize this danger, we should cease this conversation while it's still civil.
 
Brutus said:
I don't like zuckerburger or his policies.
So I choose never to play his game by his rules.
It's a tool of the leftist elites.

And it's rusdian roulette putting your name out there with our chosen hobby.
The OP got bit by his own handiwork.

If u don't or cannot, or will not recognize this danger, we should cease this conversation while it's still civil.
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That is your choice. But cannot say the OP deserved it because he had a social media account.

I'm well aware of the bull#### on it, but I mainly use it for messenger.
 
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