Making a GSG 16 Restricted?

gcdavidson said:
Despite that guy be told repeatedly to shut up about it because what happened was exactly what he was warned about here.
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All valid points everyone.
The only issue is the cost of the gun due to the mods.
Maybe making a good replica of an MP5 SD like the others in the mod thread would be cool.

Hmm let me think about this
 
hoytcanon said:
Flash hiders and brakes do not add to the barrel length regarding OAL legal description.
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Yes and no. Correct that they do not add to the barrel length but if attached in a manner that requires a tool to remove they are considered included in the OAL.

Basically if you need tools to make a gun smaller then you're OK.

That is a common belief you stated. You could be right though. Could you please show us in the FA or regs where it states a flash hider or other brakes does not count towards OAL?

Cheers
Moe
 
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hoytcanon said:
One customs case attracted RCMP attention and banned high capacity mags for 10/22 owners.
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This is what concerns me. If you want the adjustability of the stock for kids grab an extra one and keep the long barrel (safer anyways especially while learning) and keep the short barrel one for yourself pin the stock and Mod it to your hearts content.

And with 2 NR .22’s once the kids are proficient they can graduate up to a dueling tree to compete and hone their skills. All
Without having to go to the range.
 
Moe said:
Yes and no. Correct that they do not add to the barrel length but if attached in a manner that requires a tool to remove they are considered included in the OAL.

Basically if you need tools to make a gun smaller then you're OK.

That is a common belief you stated. You could be right though. Could you please show us in the FA or regs where it states a flash hider or other brakes does not count towards OAL?

Cheers
Moe
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“Tools to remove” is not supported anywhere in the law, regulations, or case law. Sure, maybe QD pins and such are tempting fate but OAL sure seems to be in an assembled, as it is state and no more.

The SFSS has put Troy PAR’s in the FRT as NR by virtue of a muzzle brake so they seem to think they count, for what little that’s worth.
 
rommelrommel said:
“Tools to remove” is not supported anywhere in the law, regulations, or case law. Sure, maybe QD pins and such are tempting fate but OAL sure seems to be in an assembled, as it is state and no more.

The SFSS has put Troy PAR’s in the FRT as NR by virtue of a muzzle brake so they seem to think they count, for what little that’s worth.
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Agreed. I sure don't lose any sleep over the interpretation of what is or is not counted. It takes a measuring tape and that is all to show compliance with the law.

Cheers
Moe
 
Ben_in_Canada said:
I get the desire for what you're wanting to do, but why on earth would you want to invite the government into your business?
Sounds like Ruger Charger territory.
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there is already a gsg5 pistol so its only matter of time before the rcml catch on and decides the mags are dual use or they make a pistol version of the 16
 
The GSG 16 was made specifically for the Canadian market with awareness of our rules and regs so I don’t think GSG will shoot themselves in the foot by releasing a variant here that would mess with the mag capacity (I hope).

The GSG 5 is no longer made and not available Canada. (Copyright lawsuit AND Prohibited as MP5 variant)

So the only thing that could mess with mag capacity is someone making their own Restricted GSG16 and then asking to register it at such... for what purpose? I don’t know, but I don’t see any minor benefit worth the risk of losing mag capacity or the convenience of taking a NR out for a shoot vs. only being able to use it at the range (and due to Covid mine has been closed for a while) but I still get to shoot once in a while at a farm.
 
ZMCoupe said:
The GSG 16 was made specifically for the Canadian market with awareness of our rules and regs so I don’t think GSG will shoot themselves in the foot by releasing a variant here that would mess with the mag capacity (I hope).

The GSG 5 is no longer made and not available Canada. (Copyright lawsuit AND Prohibited as MP5 variant)

So the only thing that could mess with mag capacity is someone making their own Restricted GSG16 and then asking to register it at such... for what purpose? I don’t know, but I don’t see any minor benefit worth the risk of losing mag capacity or the convenience of taking a NR out for a shoot vs. only being able to use it at the range (and due to Covid mine has been closed for a while) but I still get to shoot once in a while at a farm.
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But the law does not state that restricted Rimfire rifles have a magazine capacity restriction.

Pistols yes, but I'm not making a pistol.

What about all those 8" barrels and folding stocks for 10/22s? With the endless amount of aftermarket there must be some properly registered restricted 10/22s out there.

Sad that we cant have something the way it was designed to be used due to fear of our government taking it away even when in full compliance with every one of their idiotic rules.
 
Thorsbear said:
But the law does not state that restricted Rimfire rifles have a magazine capacity restriction.

Pistols yes, but I'm not making a pistol.

What about all those 8" barrels and folding stocks for 10/22s? With the endless amount of aftermarket there must be some properly registered restricted 10/22s out there.

Sad that we cant have something the way it was designed to be used due to fear of our government taking it away even when in full compliance with every one of their idiotic rules.
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But what makes that not a pistol?
I think with the 8” barrel and the stock fully collapsed it would/(could) be legally classified as a pistol. Which would then make the mags dual purpose and therefore have all the mags capped at 10 rounds regardless if one owned a full length NR version or not..

Look at the CZ Scorpion EVO 3... 7.71 inch barrel and folding stock Restricted and Classified as a Pistol. And because there was a rifle version using the same magazines you could only have 5 round mags... (I know Centerfire have some different rules).

The civilian version of the Scorpion has now become Prohibited because there is a Military Version used by a few Eastern European countries Police/ Military teams that has burst and auto capability - that last part is off topic but shows how quickly something can be lumped together and swept into a category.
 
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ZMCoupe said:
But what makes that not a pistol?
I think with the 8” barrel and the stock fully collapsed it would/(could) be legally classified as a pistol. Which would then make the mags dual purpose and therefore have all the mags capped at 10 rounds regardless if one owned a full length NR version or not..

Look at the CZ Scorpion EVO 3... 7.71 inch barrel and folding stock Restricted and Classified as a Pistol. And because there was a rifle version using the same magazines you could only have 5 round mags... (I know Centerfire have some different rules).

The civilian version of the Scorpion has now become Prohibited because there is a Military Version used by a few Eastern European countries Police/ Military teams that has burst and auto capability - that last part is off topic but shows how quickly something can be lumped together and swept into a category.
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You have no concept of how a "pistol" is determined as per law. The question you got to ask is if it was imported as such, or if made in country and manufactured as such... once a firearm has been fit into either handgun or non handgun category it cannot shift to the other, however it is completely possible to make a firearm (non-handgun) restricted or non-restricted pending how you change its ability to fit into the various lengths requirements.

The only reason the Evo or the MPX were ever sold as handguns in Canada is because some importers were trying to be sneaky and get us 10-round mags instead of 5. So the RCMP decided to be equally as sneaky and make up a term and deem the mag's dual-use

The fact that the scorpion has full auto variants has absolutely #### s*** to do with why it got prohibited. It was just on Poly's hit list because of how scary futuristic it looks. They are all about looks and security theatre.
 
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No argument that the rules are often contradicting and make little to no sense and are written and interpreted by people who have either a conflicting interest (want as many prohibited as possible) or lack of knowledge and willingness to learn.

I also admit that I lack detailed knowledge of all the difference in regulations between Rimfire and centerfire...

The reason I heard the Scorpions and MPX’s were included in the list was because they were based on “military assault weapons”.... Ridiculous I know but apparently that was the justification (if you can call it that) to add them to the list...
 
ZMCoupe said:
No argument that the rules are often contradicting and make little to no sense and are written and interpreted by people who have either a conflicting interest (want as many prohibited as possible) or lack of knowledge and willingness to learn.

I also admit that I lack detailed knowledge of all the difference in regulations between Rimfire and centerfire...

The reason I heard the Scorpions and MPX’s were included in the list was because they were based on “military assault weapons”.... Ridiculous I know but apparently that was the justification (if you can call it that) to add them to the list...
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It's hearsay most of the guns but ended up on the list have been used in shootings in the past around the world or have seen large popularity spikes in canada. Generally speaking it's whatever makes the most effect on ill-informed people who will look at a gun and say it's scary. Military pedigree has nothing to do with it, if it did just about everything semi-auto especially would be banned.
 
Alright everyone,
Decision has been made! Buying a restricted Keltec CMR 30 with collapsible stock for the kids.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...rder-for-Keltec-CMR-30-Rifles-and-N-R-Barrels

I'll pick up the N/R barrel for when the kids get older. Too bad that the CMR uses a common mag with their PMR 30 handgun limiting this rimfire to only 10 rounds but I'll just pick up more mags.

Thanks everyone for the advise and driving fear into me regarding RCMP arbitrary banning practices and not following their own rules.

Never shot a 22WMR round, should be ok for the kids and make the target practise more challenging.

Thanks again everyone!
 
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