Making AR15 lowers from scratch? Did RCMP kill it?

The harshness is unwarranted.

While the RCMP have indeed never declared raw forgings (0%) lowers as prohib, they did do so with 80% lowers. The confusion stems from that 80% lowers are not defined in law AND that the RCMPs “logic” would be applied to 79% lowers, 78% lowers, 77% lowers etc.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/receiver-carcasse-eng.htm

So this brings us to another question. If an item is not defined in any way in the criminal code, how can they legally just choose to prohibit such an item ? The essential principle/function of the law is definition and proper description. Without sufficient description, you cannot lay a charge that would fly in court of law. We have literally thousands of laws on books and part of every single law is definition or description of what the law says is a violation of it. In case of firearms, a prohibited device carries pretty stiff penalties if violated so it is an absolute must for such an item/device to be correctly defined. RCMP is law enforcement agency, not law making king but they certainly behave that way. I don't remember any recent amendments to the Firearms Act & Criminal Code, we would know about it.
 
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Standard operating procedure for the RCMP firearms lab these days is to creatively re-interpret existing regulations to ban and restrict item that have been legal for decades. I'm sure a lot of it would never survive court challenges but none of us have the money for that. I also don't feel like taking that gamble with some of the activist, far left judges we have.
 
Standard operating procedure for the RCMP firearms lab these days is to creatively re-interpret existing regulations to ban and restrict item that have been legal for decades. I'm sure a lot of it would never survive court challenges but none of us have the money for that. I also don't feel like taking that gamble with some of the activist, far left judges we have.


Yeah, the hard left judges are a big issue for something like this. Enough so, one would have to budget on having to go to the Appeals Court level.

Depending on what is being challenged... ie if it’s directly in the CC, one must be charged under the CC in order to challenge it. Quite the roll of the dice *and* you could be sitting in jail while doing so. The Americans have it right compared to us - and allow direct challenges to the law by average citizens; whereas in Canada it’s done by defendants.
 
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So this brings us to another question. If an item is not defined in any way in the criminal code, how can they legally just choose to prohibit such an item ?

Charge and let the court say otherwise. You’ll be out lots of money, potentially your job, the loss or seizure of other property - even possibly your freedom while challenging.

When it does go to trial - guess who the crown will call as the experts.... by default, the RCMP will be deemed credible - you will not be. Even worse,.., if it looks like you are going to win, the crown can elect to just drop the charge up until mere moments before a verdict is rendered - and nullyfing your challenge.

The crown, if they detect you are purposefully getting yourself charged specifically to challenge the law / interpretation can also elect not to charge you specifically - thus preserving the threat to everyone else.
 
I believe they also allow for development of prohibited firearms or devices. So you could get permit for developing your own and technically just start making full auto. I could be wrong though, that was years ago and not my department.

Yes, if you are developing something from scratch because you think you can make it better they will give you a permit.
(Obviously this is simplifying it)
 
Watching videos where various materials like a wood 2x4 a plastic cutting board and beer cans were turned into functional ( for a while) receivers made me laugh. Worse comes to worse import a few experts from the Khyber pass or the Philippines jungle to make some guns from scrap metal.
 
Yeah, the hard left judges are a big issue for something like this. Enough so, one would have to budget on having to go to the Appeals Court level.

Depending on what is being challenged... ie if it’s directly in the CC, one must be charged under the CC in order to challenge it. Quite the roll of the dice *and* you could be sitting in jail while doing so. The Americans have it right compared to us - and allow direct challenges to the law by average citizens; whereas in Canada it’s done by defendants.

Couldn't one file a lawsuit concernin a specific law?
 
Standard operating procedure for the RCMP firearms lab these days is to creatively re-interpret existing regulations to ban and restrict item that have been legal for decades. I'm sure a lot of it would never survive court challenges but none of us have the money for that. I also don't feel like taking that gamble with some of the activist, far left judges we have.

The money isn't the problem. I have faith that CGNers would fire up a gofundme. It's the jail time during the trial that is off putting.
 
Therein lies the problem. It dosen't matter how stupid something is, it could be upheld by an idiot judge and then become precident.
 
The crown, if they detect you are purposefully getting yourself charged specifically to challenge the law / interpretation can also elect not to charge you specifically - thus preserving the threat to everyone else.
This is basically what happened when CFO refused to renew my restricted PAL without proof of range membership. Working with a prominent firearms lawyer and firearms rights group, I told them to issue me refusal so I could take it to court.

They promptly renewed my license, even issuing me blanket ATT, going against all the reasons they told me they weren't going to renew it. They didn't want it to be challenged in a gun friendly Saskatchewan Court.
 
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