Malcolm Kendall says he can’t stay silent any longer.

I have absolutely no issues with snaring bears or any other animal and the practice does happen in BC but it is performed/authorized by the government doing bear studies, the animals are then released without any real harm done to them.

If it were legal for me to do it and I felt the need I wouldn't hesitate to use it.
 
Snaring is a technique of commercial trapping not sport hunting. There are many types of snare sets that can be used for bears, including leg snares and power snares. The hunter who was concerned that he would be faced with a dilemma of conscience should he ever come across a snared bear should be guided by the law which probably prohibits the interference with legal trapping practices. He was upset by the congealed blood he saw that he admits was the result of a bear being shot and not a wound from a snare. I don't like the idea of animals being unnecessarily distressed, but if snares are legal for trapping I have no problem with them. A bear caught in a power snare dies quickly and a bear caught in a leg snare is only distressed when approached, so the distress is short term. The bears I've seen in snares don't fight the snare, they just lie down and go to sleep once they realize the limitation of their movement. I don't think snares come up on the cruelty radar much.
 
joe-nwt said:
So what's the best caliber heat seeking rocket to use on deer anyways? And where's the cheapest place to get them? Can I have them sent regular mail?:evil:
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I prefer an AIM9 sidewinder which is about 5.00 cal. They cost the US navy about $80,000 but Ill talk to my friends and see if we can work out a deal. They would have to go through FedEx Freight.
 
A bit of background on these leg snares.
They were developed in the 1970's by a game biologist, Milan Novac, who worked for the Ontario Ministry Of Natural Resources, as a humain alternative to leg hold traps. They have been used in many bear population studies to live trap bears for tagging and collaring, and have proven to be both humane, and effective. A spring flips the noose up over the bears foot when it steps in a trigger that is similar to the trigger on a leg hold. They are very light weight.
 
When I first read this article, I have to admit, I thought snaring was unethical and outrageous.
So, I read through all posts to here-TWICE.

I want to thank xeon and clayduster for their posts. I now see things a little more clearly.

I believe that using snares on bears is NO different than snaring any other animal. If it is LEGAL in
an area, so be it.
Remember when it was illegal to hunt with crossbows? The myth of how much more deadly the xbow is, how it will be so much easier to kill animals with. Damn things are just compounds with stocks!
We HAVE to stick together!! If I can't use a snare, so be it. I will stand behind those that can. Someday I would like to carry a handgun-other than an antique-while hunting. And with GOD and Mr. Harpers help-and even those that hunters/trappers that don't-I would like to be able to HUNT with a handgun.

So, YES to backing those that can-and those who trap/hunt that don't like it-hold you breath, and stand with them. Those that CAN maybe the ones that make the difference on what, where, and with what, the rest of us hunt/trap-and yes-even FISH.

PLEASE stick together brothers and sisters, or we ALL LOSE.

Later.....
 
BigUglyMan said:
I'm not a fan of the practice of snaring animals unless the snare goes around the neck and actually kills the animals. Rather than snares they might as well use a live trap like MNR use for relocating problem animals.
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Biologists use leg snares all the time for bears.
 
I have yet to see a bear damaged by a snair! It has been years since I had anything to do with it. The bear would destroy all the brush in reach but would not chew it's leg like a coyote would. The snair is a good way to reduce a population, it works 24-7. IF trapping for fur, it is an efective way to harvest. It works & was used to relocate many animals. IMHO if it is legal in your area go for it, just make sure things are set properly (ask a pro if u don't know) Aj
 
a j cave said:
I have yet to see a bear damaged by a snair! It has been years since I had anything to do with it. The bear would destroy all the brush in reach but would not chew it's leg like a coyote would. The snair is a good way to reduce a population, it works 24-7. IF trapping for fur, it is an efective way to harvest. It works & was used to relocate many animals. IMHO if it is legal in your area go for it, just make sure things are set properly (ask a pro if u don't know) Aj
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:confused:OK. I can't stand it anymore!

HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU READ THE WORD SNARE in the thread above before you decided to show us how YOU spell it?:confused:

Ok I'm sor......so.....sor....NO I"M NOT!:D
 
M12shooter said:
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Yes I see the point but I used to trap a lot of fox and coyote in my youth as well. Leg hold traps were best IMO as if an "undesired" animal was caught it could be released unharmed...less a mighty sore paw. Killing setups such as power snares only had one outcome. Also a dead animal in a trap can be eaten by scavengers or it's own kind.

I can't count how many times I had trapped a young scrawny fox or yote that would be have been worthless at auction. Would throw a tarp over the critter, spring the jaws a bit and the unwanted animal was off to grow up and mature.

Never caught any "family pets" but I've known guys that caught dogs and released them as well. Have to admit that without daily checking leghold stuff is cruel.

Back to the original post...yes I can see the guys point :)
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Would you realease a sow with cubs from a leg snare??? I'd like to see that.

I've seen quite a few bears with missing feet from leg snares. I agree it shouldn't be banned outright, but there have to be restrictions, as there are with all other types of trapping.
 
bearkilr said:
Would you realease a sow with cubs from a leg snare??? I'd like to see that.

I've seen quite a few bears with missing feet from leg snares. I agree it shouldn't be banned outright, but there have to be restrictions, as there are with all other types of trapping.
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Comment was directed toward NW Ontario trapper re: killing sets... where I'm pretty sure leg snaring bears is NOT legal. I personally would not go near a live black bear caught by the leg. Thus back to the original post...as I stated I can see the Nova Scotia guys point on being opposed to such a practice:cool:
 
I think Malcolm should STFU and stick to hunting grouse. Don't like snares, fine don't use them but don't take the food off someone elses plate because you don't approve of the way they harvest it, especially when the way they are doing it is legal. This is the way PETA acts. Honestly to each their own! Are there no other issues or concerns where this guy lives that he can get behind or rally for? I'll never understand these types, who think they are somehow ethically or morally superior to the rest. There are many who would attack him for the way he hunts, does he not understand this! would he give up his rifle or shotgun if someone had issue? Doubt it!
 
M12shooter said:
Comment was directed toward NW Ontario trapper re: killing sets... where I'm pretty sure leg snaring bears is NOT legal. I personally would not go near a live black bear caught by the leg. Thus back to the original post...as I stated I can see the Nova Scotia guys point on being opposed to such a practice:cool:
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Roger that, bit of a misunderstanding. :)

BTW, snaring bear was legal in MB up until a few years ago. A handful of "trappers" who were also farmers, took it upon themselves to try and exterminate bears in their area. Since bear are about the easiest animal to catch in a snare(read:bait),they were very effective at severely impacting the bear population in their surrounding area. There was quite a bit of outrage over this,though it was kept pretty quiet. Sportsmen called on the gov't to pull their license and/or impose quotas and change the regulations, but instead they did the usual gov't folly of just banning it outright.

My problem lies with banning anything related to the hunting/shooting/trapping. Next they will ban all types of snaring, even with powersnares. Ask a wolf trapper who uses snares how many deer he catches in a season.
Sportsmen should stick together. At least those who don't agree with a legal practice should keep their mouth shut. My $.02..
 
bearkilr said:
Would you realease a sow with cubs from a leg snare??? I'd like to see that.

I've seen quite a few bears with missing feet from leg snares. I agree it shouldn't be banned outright, but there have to be restrictions, as there are with all other types of trapping.
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Actuallty this is one situation where I think a leg snare is superior to a culvert trap. What happens is the female enters the culvert trap, grabs the bait, which in turn triggers the door to drop behind her and she's in the trap while her cubs are outside. Along comes a male and the cubs are lunch, this happened (again) X2 a few weeks ago here. If the female was caught in a snare, the male wouldn't get the cubs as easily.
 
Boomer said:
Actuallty this is one situation where I think a leg snare is superior to a culvert trap. What happens is the female enters the culvert trap, grabs the bait, which in turn triggers the door to drop behind her and she's in the trap while her cubs are outside. Along comes a male and the cubs are lunch, this happened (again) X2 a few weeks ago here. If the female was caught in a snare, the male wouldn't get the cubs as easily.
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Polar bear?? You mean to tell me more cubs were eaten by a Climate Change deranged,cannibalistic boar? :D

I understand what you mean, my post was in response to the release of undesirable catches. Releasing a sow that had cubs from a leg snare would really only be an option after tranquilization or death.
 
bearkilr said:
Polar bear?? You mean to tell me more cubs were eaten by a Climate Change deranged,cannibalistic boar? :D

I understand what you mean, my post was in response to the release of undesirable catches. Releasing a sow that had cubs from a leg snare would really only be an option after tranquilization or death.
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Riiiight but if the trapping season for them is in the fall, then the cubs will already be about 8 months old, and they have a decent chance at surviving the winter without mommy. When you hunt bears, and you see the small 80lbers run in to the bait, those are 1st years. They dont stay 8oz forever.
 
Jay is right Snaring of bears is a legit right of trappers!! Trapping is another form of hunting and has been going on for years and years in our great country. The bear is caught in a leg snare which doesn't even damage the fur so it simply holds the bear in place. I have a freind (trapper) who snares bear in Ontario and first it isn't as easy as it sounds second thing is it is 100% legal, and he wouldn't even consider it if it hurt the fur. This guys has never even seen a bear in a snare!!! sounds like an anti. really what is the differance between trapping any other animal I suppose they will be next to be saved right!!!!
 
Jay is right Snaring of bears is a legit right of trappers!! Trapping is another form of hunting and has been going on for years and years in our great country. The bear is caught in a leg snare which doesn't even damage the fur so it simply holds the bear in place. I have a freind (trapper) who snares bear in Ontario and first it isn't as easy as it sounds second thing is it is 100% legal, and he wouldn't even consider it if it hurt the fur. This guys has never even seen a bear in a snare!!! sounds like an anti. really what is the differance between trapping any other animal I suppose they will be next to be saved right!!!! And Snaring bears is 100% legal in Ontario
 
xeon said:
Riiiight but if the trapping season for them is in the fall, then the cubs will already be about 8 months old, and they have a decent chance at surviving the winter without mommy. When you hunt bears, and you see the small 80lbers run in to the bait, those are 1st years. They dont stay 8oz forever.
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All bear snaring is done in the spring. The fall fur is undesirable. Black bear pelts stay prime longer than most furbearers, usually good until mid-May in southern areas.
There isn't much of a market for bear hides anyhow, most at auctions are bought up by taxidermists. Every now and then, there's demand when the Queen's Guards need new hats.
 
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