Maple seed questions/discussion?

[Tinybear]

Having recently learnt of the existence of project Maple Seed. Watched all I could find on YouTube about the event and done a bit of reading. Really excited to enter an event hopefully this year and that led me here looking for more info did a search and failed. Figured I’d ask how others who attended liked it. What was their take always.

And also been wondering Which rifle should I choose. Technically I have three that are likely set up well enuff for the event. Just need to order a USGI Sling.

First is the lightest: Ruger/Magpul backpacker 10/22. Has a Simmons 2-7x32 pro target rim fire scope. Has a BX trigger auto bolt release mod and an extended mag release. This is the scopes rifle I shoot most off hand presently. It’s ultra reliable and runs fine it seems for many many hundreds of rounds without cleaning (generally I clean after every outing but the few times I have left it it’s run fine regardless). This one cycle pretty much anything I feed it. Accuracy is not stellar in comparison to the rest but generally off a bench good for about 1/2” at 25yards. I have 4 10rnd mags for this.

Second is heaviest but most accurate semi: Savage A22. This is fitted and placed in a Boyd’s ATONE stock with a Bushnell Prim 4-12 x40 scope on top. Trigger has been swapped for for a Jared 1.5lbs trigger. This things the most accurate easily getting 1/4” groups at 25 yards and around 1” at 100. This gun is not too ammo picky and cycles most just fine but does seem to need a bit more pop than the Ruger to reliably cycle. Have three 10 rnd and 1 25 rnd mag for this one

And lastly a middle weight rifle Bolt action: CZ 457 Canadian. This is bone standard with a Vortex 4-16x42 scope mounted on 11mm Burris signature rings. Great rifle about accuracy comparable to the A22. It’s supremely smooth and just a pleasure to shoot. Have 3 5rnd mags 1 10rnd and 1 25rnd mag.

 

[6.5x55swm]

and stock 22 is fine, got a rilfeman's patch with a stock marlin 795 with a 60 year old weaver 2.5x scope

 

[lone-wolf]

Mine was a cz 455 with a nikon 4-12? or something close to that. Needed lots of padding added for proper prone eye relief, as I had it setup for offhand shooting.

The A22 will give you less time pressure. The 10/22 with that stock would be a pita in my mind. Make sure you have 10rnd magazines if you take the cz 457

 

[Gillen1]

Did mine with a 10/22 custom shop and vortex viper 4-12. Didn’t put scope above 4x whole day, scored 232. One guy there had the takedown backpacker and had a hard time with sling placement. My
Buddy’s that we’re there with me each got rifleman with a Cz 457 mtr and a heavy barrel savage mkii.

You only need two mags, if you do Cz you need a 10 and a 5.

Bring a good shooting mat or a yoga mat and a heavy blanket. The ground gets hard after a while.

 

[Jahnj0584]

I got about 224/250 I believe with a Norinco Scorpio (bolt action 200$ gun) and 350rds of CCI. Stayed on 5-7x all day. I was the only person in the course to get a patch. Off the bench it grouped about 3/4" at 50y and yet I have 3 shots touching in the X mark from standing.

Just bring ammo, 2 mags, ear pro, the gun, and some sort of ground cover. I only had a thin yoga Matt and it kinda sucked - bring an old towel or blanket for your elbows. One dude brought a pillow and dog bed.

I borrowed a sling there.

 

[bigdyno]

If you can find a sling the same or similar to the ones they have I would suggest it. The comfort part of your sling will hinder you. I shot my event with a 10/22 with a Calvin elite and a vortex diamondback and didn't take it past 7x. Got my patch with this set up, my gf tried with a bog stock 10/22 and just missed getting her patch with some jams on the last stage.
I would say a semi is a step easier than a bolt but there are some impressive bolt shooters out there. Make sure you have lots of mags so you can have a bunch loaded and reduce the distractions/time crunch. I also shot with sv ammo and in my head it helped.
Regardless of how much shooting you do/have done, the right attitude will make a big difference. Everyone from my day said they picked up something and even one small thing can make a noticeable difference.

 

[sillymike]

Of those rifles, I'd pick the Savage A22
- But any of them would work, if you're comfortable with them. I got my badge with a bolt action and 5rds magazines, you just have to be quicker and stay focus.
- Make sure you're able to see trough your scope while in the prone position...

For sling, get a 1907 pattern, and know how to use it.

 

[armycat]

Many have received their rifleman patch with a bolt action but I would not have received mine without using a semi auto. For that reason I would recommend the Savage A22.

Part of Mapleseed is proper use of a sling. One of the guys I shoot with used a Ruger 10/22 takedown and found the sling caused a large POI shift.

 

[Hungry]

Silly mike…. Good diagram BTW… thanks for that.

I achieved my Rifleman badge with a sporter barreled CZ455 Style and 2 x 10 rounder magazines. You will be shooting at 25 yards/meters so It’s All Good! Be ready for a long day and tonnes of learning (akin to drinking from a fire hose)

Not all shooters will obtain the Rifleman Badge… think, “It’s a journey and not the destination!! “

Bring on the questions! We are here for you!


Now to see if the CGN software turns my photos upside down…..











All good fun, great community, super instructors…. What’s not to like??

Cheers, Barney

 

[turbo_bird]

I was hoping to get to one this summer with my wife and kids, but the one that fit my work schedule was sold out before I could sign up. I did the CRPS rimfire PRS academy with Rick though, and that was pretty good too. It was a bit lighter on shooting fundamentals than I'd hoped, but still worthwhile if you're interested in that sort of stuff. I'm still going to try to get to a mapleseed event though. From talking to Rick, rifle choice didn't sound very important, but a semi auto would give more time to concentrate on just the shooting part.
Kristian

 

[Travis_m]

With those setups as is go with the Savage. I'd probabaly put your bushnell scope on the Ruger if that is more reliable and run that. You are only shooting 25 m.

 

[Travis_m]

I was hoping to get to one this summer with my wife and kids, but the one that fit my work schedule was sold out before I could sign up. I did the CRPS rimfire PRS academy with Rick though, and that was pretty good too. It was a bit lighter on shooting fundamentals than I'd hoped, but still worthwhile if you're interested in that sort of stuff. I'm still going to try to get to a mapleseed event though. From talking to Rick, rifle choice didn't sound very important, but a semi auto would give more time to concentrate on just the shooting part.
Kristian

What more would you be looking for with the shooting fundamentals? Stable shooting positions etc?

 

[horseman2]

What is the current cost to attend one of these events?

IIRC there was a savings for LEO's and seniors at one time.

 

[hawkrider]

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[turbo_bird]

What more would you be looking for with the shooting fundamentals? Stable shooting positions etc?

More on stable shooting positions would have been good, some examples of how to deal with various fairly standard barricades would have been nice too. Rifle fit was addressed a bit, which was good. It was mostly just a bit more basic than I expected, with not a ton of actual shooting practice. We basically shot some groups at 50, 100, and 200 from prone and kneeling behind a chair to see what our various rifles and us shooters would be capable of in ideal conditions, and how much drop there is at distance. There was a fair bit of talk about reading wind which was good, and I think it was an overall usefully course, but if you've shot more than a couple matches it might seem a bit basic. I guess I was hoping it would be more like the black badge course for IPSC, that one I actually learned a lot about shooting handguns with. The mapleseed sounds like more what I was thinking or hoping the CRPS course would be like.
Kristian

 

[Tinybear]

Thanks all. So I pretty sure I be opting to run the Savage A22, I like really like my 10/22 take down, it’s just a fun little setup that allows me to throw in a back pack and head to range via motorcycle. but I also love the A22 it was my first rifle and it the one I possibly have shot the most. I’d also be annoyed if the gun becomes my limiting factor and with the A22 I know the gun shoots better than I do. Been messing around with things a bit and now Have the recommended USGI sling on. Swapped scopes with the CZ as the 4-16 just fits the A22 better I will just dial it down for this event and for practice leading up too. Going spend some time this winter practicing my off hand shooting and testing reliability with the Eley contact it seems to like. May pick up an extra 10 rounder for it so I will have the recommended 4. The A22 is a tad heavy as it stands around 9.5lbs without a mag or ammo. The CZ 457 is lighter and maybe even better balanced. But I think the semi auto would benefit me more than the lighter weight.

 

[zombee]

I attended Mapleseed with a franken-backpacker - backpacker stock, hunter takedown front to put the sling mount point farther forward. There is no (simple non-destructive) way to mount a sling to the backpacker front.
I used a magpul RLS thinking the loop at the back could act much like a USGI sling for the rear arm - my observation is that the act of tensioning the USGI sling tightens the loop on the rear arm, and the RLS does not allow for that to happen. It took me a long time to achieve NPOA, and things magically worked when it happened, but I expect the USGI sling would be much faster. The only pose I found to be fast to achieve is the one where sling remains attached to rifle, you curl your arm around (sorry, don't remember the terminology) the sling while rifle is pointing upwards, then you rotate rifle to horizontal and tuck stock into shoulder to tension sling.

My advice is to use something that accepts a USGI sling, using the recommended swivel studs in the usual positions. Of your equipment, I would choose the At-One A22.

 

[Travis_m]

Can't go wrong with the A22.

 

[Travis_m]

More on stable shooting positions would have been good, some examples of how to deal with various fairly standard barricades would have been nice too. Rifle fit was addressed a bit, which was good. It was mostly just a bit more basic than I expected, with not a ton of actual shooting practice. We basically shot some groups at 50, 100, and 200 from prone and kneeling behind a chair to see what our various rifles and us shooters would be capable of in ideal conditions, and how much drop there is at distance. There was a fair bit of talk about reading wind which was good, and I think it was an overall usefully course, but if you've shot more than a couple matches it might seem a bit basic. I guess I was hoping it would be more like the black badge course for IPSC, that one I actually learned a lot about shooting handguns with. The mapleseed sounds like more what I was thinking or hoping the CRPS course would be like.
Kristian

I think it's pretty tough to structure a course that appeals to both brand new shooters and those with some experience in one day. Most new shooters don't have reliable dope so that's really what that clinic was about.

 

[Leavenworth]

Sillymike ! Where do you source a sling like that ?
Thanks
Leavenworth

Of those rifles, I'd pick the Savage A22
- But any of them would work, if you're comfortable with them. I got my badge with a bolt action and 5rds magazines, you just have to be quicker and stay focus.
- Make sure you're able to see trough your scope while in the prone position...

For sling, get a 1907 pattern, and know how to use it.