To propagate any political ideology, you require the letting of blood. (torture, murder)
There will always be war.
March of german prisoners in Moscow
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To propagate any political ideology, you require the letting of blood. (torture, murder)
There will always be war.
Johnone :
Interesting stories indeed. I wouldn't say I'm "shocked" as much as well, dissapointed in humanity sometimes. It seems that horrors such a those described happen in some societies every 2-3 generations no matter how much we think we have "evolved" as a species.
Quite dissapointing in a way.
Interesting stories indeed. I wouldn't say I'm "shocked" as much as well, dissapointed in humanity sometimes. It seems that horrors such a those described happen in some societies every 2-3 generations no matter how much we think we have "evolved" as a species.
Quite dissapointing in a way.
Hey John....
You are very lucky, having been able to visit such sites. Now, I hope you know what I mean when I say lucky. As you said, more people need to see such sites in order to fully realize man's inhumanity to man. I have seen such things and I am a better human for it.
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One of my Grandfathers was captured in Stalingrad by the Russians after fighting with the Finns. He was in the Panzer divisions there. He escaped captivity and went to Berlin where he fought again, and was once again, captured. He escaped near Cologne (spelling?) and then found his way back to his home in Berlin. His wife could not recognise him, because he was in such rough shape. The story goes he remained outside his house for three days, until he could muster enough memory to tell his wife about special times they had shared alone, and only they would know. She then let him in, and he lived until 2006, God rest his soul.
Human is as human does, fool.
I've come across a great podcaster who did a 4 part series on the war on the Eastern Front. He's an amazing story teller and it's well worth a listen. The series is called Ghosts of the Ostfront. Figure I'd pass it along. In the 4th episode he talks about the German prisoners marched through the streets of Moscow
I'm not sure about posting links so remove the spaces h t tp://www.dancarlin.com/dchh.xml or google Dan Carlin's Hardcore History
I'm not sure about posting links so remove the spaces h t tp://www.dancarlin.com/dchh.xml or google Dan Carlin's Hardcore History
fat tony
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My dad had a friend (very nice man who brought his family to Canada) - they were Flemish Belgians, he had 6 brothers who joined the 'German Army' (SS?) - and remain at some unknown location in the former Soviet Union (their remains anyways) the occupation of Belgium meant the break up of families for good, and that's the very least thing that happened.
fat tony
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Well you don't say, as they weren't German citizens it would have been some unit of the SS then now wouldn't it. So if you want to call me a liar about the whole story just come out and say it, instead of dancing around it.
More people died under communism than any other ideology in human history.
Its a shame Hitler never won the war and did away with Communism back then.
And honestly what right did England and France have to declare war on him when he seized back German land from the Poles who had no rightful claim to it?
I believe he would have continued his Blitzkreig through Poland and onwards to Moscow if the west didnt interfere.
Its a shame Hitler never won the war and did away with Communism back then.
And honestly what right did England and France have to declare war on him when he seized back German land from the Poles who had no rightful claim to it?
I believe he would have continued his Blitzkreig through Poland and onwards to Moscow if the west didnt interfere.
You need a lesson in history. Then again, all Nazis have a twisted sense of reality don't they.
As fat tony says, IBTL.
You need a lesson in history. Then again, all Nazis have a twisted sense of reality don't they.
As fat tony says, IBTL.
Good lord I'm no fascist.
But it seems to me he was the only one fighting communism.
With the West's aid and blessing, Stalin overran Eastern Europe and tens of millions died.
Then Stalin aided and provided support for Mao te Sung and untold millions of Chinese died under collectivization.
We (the west) were allies of Stalin and aided him directly and indirectly. Mass genocide was the end result.
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Fighting Communism and fighting Communists are two completely different things.
Certainly Stalin's legacy of brutality was comparable to Hitler's in statistical scope but in the context of the time, the West knew he was a problem, but as they were all at war with Germany Stalin was an ally of convenience. To suggest the Stalin's post war expansion was under Western blessing is a bit ignorant of the facts. Perhaps you're not aware of the race to Berlin and the motivations behind it. It would be more accurate to say that Hitler's war paved the way for Stalin's expansion, as the Western allies, especially the UK were so depleted after WWII that continuing on against the USSR in armed conflict was not a possibility, and that the Russian claims on territory and reparations had some basis of legitimacy which the West was in no position to oppose.
The Czar's, acting like so many other "royalties", brutal suppressions of the russian people, was the reason for the Russian Revolution of 1917. The Bolchewiks/communist managed to hijack this revolution, in which, among others, England, send troops to the Northern Russian ports, to fight and defeat the Bolchewiks, and help to restore the Czars rule.
I see some hope for the future that Russia returning to democracy, as will as the europeans forming some kind of national union, after all "royalties" has been removed or reduced the front pages of tabloids
To best of my knowledge, no two democraties has ever fought war against each others ?
I see some hope for the future that Russia returning to democracy, as will as the europeans forming some kind of national union, after all "royalties" has been removed or reduced the front pages of tabloids
To best of my knowledge, no two democraties has ever fought war against each others ?
I never could understand how the atrocities of WWII could have happened. Especially in Germany. There's a famous experiment that attempted to look into this. It's the Milgram experiment. In today's day and age we could never conduct this experiment since it wouldn't pass the ethical standards. Because of this we don't have many experiments like it.
The bottom line, the experiment "...measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
The scary part was how many people were willing to go through with this. keep in mind these were American University students in 1961. These experiments bring home how we're not immune to what happened before and during WWII.
I watched the actual video of this experiment while in University. Reading about it really doesn't do this justice. It's very disturbing.
The bottom line, the experiment "...measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
The scary part was how many people were willing to go through with this. keep in mind these were American University students in 1961. These experiments bring home how we're not immune to what happened before and during WWII.
I watched the actual video of this experiment while in University. Reading about it really doesn't do this justice. It's very disturbing.
Human nature does not change,no matter how enlightened or technologically advanced we may believe ourselves to be. Just consider the events in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s,a re-run of the Nazi/commie style atrocities on a smaller scale,and the more recent Abu Ghraib business in Iraq.
I spent 3.5 yrs in the Middle East and got a belly full of it. It all starts with one side demonizing and de-personalizing the other("animals","rats","swine","vermin" etc),and then anything is possible.
My conclusion is that on an individual level all people are basically the same and have similar wants/needs/behaviours. Where it all comes unstuck is when politicians play up the differences to serve themselves and their agendas. And it just keeps on happening.
I spent 3.5 yrs in the Middle East and got a belly full of it. It all starts with one side demonizing and de-personalizing the other("animals","rats","swine","vermin" etc),and then anything is possible.
My conclusion is that on an individual level all people are basically the same and have similar wants/needs/behaviours. Where it all comes unstuck is when politicians play up the differences to serve themselves and their agendas. And it just keeps on happening.
- group hug, anyone? 
