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The 8,000 planes you refer to were all B-24 Liberators, one of the most complex aircraft produced at the time. Ford's Willow Run plant built almost half of the entire production run of this plane, with the rest built by two Consolidated Aircraft factories and one North American Aviation factory. The peak output of 428 in a month works out to 1.7 hours per plane.

Besides the fact that the B-24 was a very large, complex plane to manufacture for its day, don't forget that Ford was also busy building lots of other military items, such as a large number of Jeeps.
 
Hama,Syria

I've been to Hama and seen the charming waterwheels on the Orontes River,among other things.

What I did not see was much evidence of the business in 1982 when the Assad regieme killed an estimated 20,000 of it's own people in the process of supressing an uprising there by the rebellious Moslem Brotherhood organization. This was a full scale massacre involving the use of tanks,artillery,airstrikes,and most likely chemical agents. Soviet advisors were present and several were killed. The action was highly effective and the population suddenly became a lot more "loyal" to the regieme. People only spoke about what happened there in whispers.

It's a bizarre part of the world indeed. During and after the Iran-Iraq war in the late 1980s the Iranian government started a programe of sending war widows on excursions to Damascus by the 747 load where they would be bussed out to Quneitra and lined up to demonstrate against the common Israeli enemy across the cease-fire line. As they approached Quneitra they would be driven past a large cemetary which the Syrians built immediately after the 1973 war to receive the dead of the next war. As far as I know it still does not contain any graves.

The success of a UN mission depends on the mandate given to it and also on the willingness of the parties to adhere to the mandate. UNDOF on the Golan Heights,and UNEF II in the Sinai were/are both quite effective because it was in the interest of the parties to have it that way. By contrast, UNIFIL in south Lebanon never had a viable mandate,nor were all the players signed on or willing to comply with it.
 
snowhunter said:
... the US build well over 300.000 airplanes during WW2, an thus was able to supply airplanes to anyone who needed a plane. For Henry Ford, with his know how for mass production, and only to produce 8000 plane for the entire duration of WW2, appears to be low ?
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In context, it's not such a low number. Ford built 8,000 B-24s out of the total WWII production of just over 18,000 of this type of aircraft. It was the most numerous U.S. heavy bomber of the war, production wise - many were supplied to Allies. (Total B-17 production was less than 13,000.)
 
If Henry Ford produced 1.7 plane an hour, then he more than lived up to his promish "one plane every two hours", but still that only amounts to about the 2-3 % of the total aicrafts produced in the US during the WW2.

Henry Ford's company's in Nazi-Germany also made product for the german military, as well as recieved raw materials from overseas.

Henry Ford was clearly a winner, Hitler admired him, and bestoved him with the highest Nazi medal of honor, which Henry Ford gladly accepted, as well as the US Government gave Henry Ford $ 200 million to build bombers to bomb Germany :)

It would not have mattered much to Henry Ford of which side won the war. Regardless of the outcome, Henry Ford would be a winner $$
 
Through interesting responses to the original posting, I drifted back to my great time in Famagusta, Cypres, 1964, where I ended up spending time with swedish and danish UN soldiers guarding the peace between the greek and turkish cypriots, which I also had a good time with, and moved freely between these two communities.

Ten years later in 1974, there was a full scale turkish invasion of northern Cypres, followed with ethnich cleansing on both the turkish and the greek side, in which whole communities, of the "wrong" language, culture and religion was forcibly moved to the "correct side" of a devided Cypres, and the greek/turkish town of Famagusta, now located well indside the "turkish sector" of Cypres, experienced that the turkish army rounded up all greeks cypriots living in Famagusta, between 45-60.000 people, and forced to
leaved their homes.

If you look at the town Famagusta through Google Maps,you can easily find the old greek part of Famagusta. There are no cars on the street, and the gardens are overgrown. Spooky....
 
Having done some further study of event leading to the Turkish military invasion of Cyprus in 1974, it was the results of the then mainland Greek military dictatorship direct involment in a military coup of the democratic elected government of Cyprus, that further escalated the mutual greek-turkish cypriots ethnic killing/cleansing of each other, which resulted in Turkey's invasion of, and control of 37 % of Cyprus, in which Turkey had a signed obligation to protect the turkish-cypriot polulation.

About 200.000 greeks cypriots and over 50.000 turkish cypriots were forced to move over the "green line", dividing the de facto, two Cyprus States, which are now also member of the European Union, officially as one nation :)

The greek military dictatorship came down, tree days after the retaliatory Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and thus shared fait with the german dictatorship, when it also came to the wrong conclusions and invaded Russia, believing it could wind over USSR....

In regards to the empty greek-cyriots homes of Famagusta/Varosha since 1974, they are still under negotiation. Therefore, no turkish-cypriots has by the turkish military, been allowed to take over these empty homes, as they have done in rest of Norhern Cyprus, and visa versa of what the greek-cypriots in the Southern Cyprus have done, to "vacated" turkish homes...
 
Pathfinder said:
Our Old Friend K98Action should be around here soon with a new username to tell how unfair everyone was to the germans during and after the war.
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I was just counting up the Nazi apologists we already have in this thread. Not surprisingly most seem to be of German ancestry. Of all the Germans I've met, young and old, grew up here, grew up there, I can only think of one who had actually figured out what happened and why. The rest of them range from Holocaust deniers on down, with Anglophobia being the common mania, well, one of them anyway.

Keep going fellas, some people need to be reminded why wars happen and what better than to hear it from the horse's mouths. :popCorn:
 
Had a chat with a client In Vancouver, British Columbia, about this particular greek/turkish "problem", and he replied: "Oh yes, I know there are problems between them, because we used to tease greek boys in high school by calling them "turks", and these greek boys would simply loose it and blow up :) ".

I also learned that in the past, Irish immigrants living around Peterborough, Ontario, and with different ethnic and religious baggrounds, would burn each others barns down..

Often I think that bad genetic memory takes over reasoning ? I one took DNA samples of the greek/turks, british/germans, it would be proven that they are related by (bad) blood ?

Still amazing that we all can live together in relative peace in Canada :)
 
There is something called cellular memory. There was an article about this recently in the Epoch Times. People with organ transplants who start to develop interests and inclinations for no apparent reason, and which in many cases are at odds with their previous inclinations, but which their organ donors had!
 
RRCo. said:
There is something called cellular memory. There was an article about this recently in the Epoch Times. People with organ transplants who start to develop interests and inclinations for no apparent reason, and which in many cases are at odds with their previous inclinations, but which their organ donors had!
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So are you saying that if Wendy had an organ transplant from any CGN member she would/could have a huge interest in full auto machine guns, beer and strippers? She might become one of the boys!
 
Coyote Ugly said:
So are you saying that if Wendy had an organ transplant from any CGN member she would/could have a huge interest in full auto machine guns, beer and strippers? She might become one of the boys!
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I'm not offering up those organs for transplant, even to convert Wendy to our cause. :kickInTheNuts:
 
And the perpetual etnich as well as intertribal hate goes on in todays Cyprus....

Just read in today, saturday the 12 of december, 2009, edition of www.newyorktimes.com , "Grave robbers steal Cypriot President's remains" of Tassos Papadopoulos, a day before the anniversary of his dead.

Tassos Papadopoulos died of lung cancer at the age of 74, and was also the one time leader of the greek cypriot guerrilla organization EOKA.

Nobody knows who stole President Tassos Papadopoulos remains, but clearly, there is still lots of political and economical value, in kidnapping certain dead people in todays Cyprus ....
 
Tassos Papdopoulos, as a greek cypriot EOKA leader, advocated a total extermination of all turkish cyriots.

EOKA fighters/assasins, also killed 371 british service personel in Cyprus between 1955-59. Off duty and civilian family members of british service personel was also targeted and often shot in the back, while shopping in various towns of Cyprus.

According to neutral historians, who have studied the ongoing greek-turkish conflict on Cyprus, have concluded that the greek cypriot nationalist organization, EOKA, who wanted Cyprus to be part of Greece, using military force, instigated/forced the Turkish invasion and division Cyprus in 1974.
 
snowhunter said:
Tassos Papdopoulos, as a greek cypriot EOKA leader, advocated a total extermination of all turkish cyriots.

EOKA fighters/assasins, also killed 371 british service personel in Cyprus between 1955-59. Off duty and civilian family members of british service personel was also targeted and often shot in the back, while shopping in various towns of Cyprus.

According to neutral historians, who have studied the ongoing greek-turkish conflict on Cyprus, have concluded that the greek cypriot nationalist organization, EOKA, who wanted Cyprus to be part of Greece, using military force, instigated/forced the Turkish invasion and division Cyprus in 1974.
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Being Greek all i have to say to this is bulls**t. 150,000 Turkish soldiers invaded Cyprus in 1974! under the cover of having to save the Turks living on Cyprus, who might i add was less than 10% of the population. currently around 18%.

What really happened was there was a power struggle between the political powers on Cyprus and the Turks saw it fit to attack like the cowards they are.

Turks napalmed and carpet bombed more civilians than military instillations. They forced people out of their homes and in placed Turkish family's in Greek Cypriot homes.

In the end the entire Turkish army was stoped by 500 National Greek Cypriot guards armed only with light weapons from WW2 and one or two light armored vehicle's.

These are direct quotes to might I add from British soldiers overlooking the battle " you should have seen the massive Turkish army run at the sight of light resistance from the Greeks! "



And just to get this all back on topic Greeks were the first country on the allied side to defeat the axis power in Albania. Did i forget to mention Greeks held of the Germans for 219+ days, should we compare it to some of the superpowers of the time??

Norway 61 days
France 41 days
Poland 30 days
Belgium 18 days
Yugoslavia 3 days
Debark 0 days -- the kings crown was surrendered to one of Hitlers motorcyclist troop.


Need I mention the Russians were able to subdue the Germans mainly because the Greeks held the majority of the German forces occupied in Greece and Create. This allowed our Russian Orthodox Brothers to per pair for the German onslaught.
 
Having meet and spend time with both greek and turkish cypriots in Cypres, as a neutral person, I am deeply sadden to withess this unslaught of this, yet another ethnic cleansing.

What is clear is, that after the turkish forces invaded Cyprus in 1974, the mass ethnic killings between the greek and turkish cypriot stopped.

Who knows what in store for Cyprus future ? The then greek-cypriot theocracy government, EOKA and the greek military dictatorship must bear the brunt of the blame of the turkish military response on Cyprus in 1974.
 
One of the main reasons why we spent so long in UNFICYP was to keep 2 NATO "allies" away from eachother's throats so that we could have them apply their capabilities to the common effort in the event of Soviet aggression. Turkey had/has an especially strategic location on the Black Sea and it's exits to the Med.
 
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