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The KGB, Warsaw Pact and russian military must had a field day over this "special" NATO relationship between Turkey and Greece. Even the best KGB agents could not have created such a political and military quagmire for NATO, as the greek and turks created with their blind and ancient hatred for each others :)
 
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snowhunter said:
The KGB, Warsaw Pact and russian military must had a field day over this "special" NATO relationship between Turkey and Greece. Even the best KGB agents could not have created such a political and military quagmire for NATO, as the greek and turks created with their blind and ancient hatred for each others :)
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There is no relationship. Turkey constantly invades Greek airspace. saying the nautical miles around our island's are not correct, not even that but Greece still has not used its given right to extend it's nautical miles around an island from 6km to 12km.

These two nations are like a zit waiting to explode, God forbid it does. It will plunge NATO into a break up.
 
Invading each others airspace is a great sport for all real and potential adversaries. The idea is to time how fast the other side can react to an intrusion of "airspace", and the bonus from such "airspace" intrusions is also to find "holes" on the other sides radar coverage. I am sure that the greek Air Force, also "violate" turkish airspace from time to time.

One former NATO fighter pilot told me that he often scrambled and was vectored several times to indentify "intruders", but by the the time he arrived, the "bad" guys were gone...

I do not believe that Greek and Turkey will in the forseable fight a shooting war. Couple of years ago, a small and disputed, uninhabited island was occupied by one of the either side's commando's, luckely forgot which one, and both NATO, EU and perhaps UN also, "read the riot act" to the offender, who quietly and quickly removed its commando's from this island...

Still not a word of what happened to the former greek cypriot President, Tassos Papadoupolus remains that were removed from his grave last week ?
 
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Re post #144. If anything threatens to break up NATO it is the disparity of contributions to NATO ISAF in Afghanistan. All NATO nations are represented to one extent or another-if only to keep their seats at the NATO council and enjoy the related economic and political benefits.
We now have a multi-tiered NATO where a few countries,notably the US,the UK,and Canada and even the Dutch, are doing the heavy lifting and the dying while the rest seek points for just being there with national caveats to restrict their troop employment. Back in the bad old days when we were lined up against the Russkies we did'nt place any such caveats on our committments to Europe. Greece has "weighed in" with 145 troops at the Kabul airport,while the Turks have some 1750 on the ground running a Provincial Reconstruction Team and the Kabul Regional HQ. Seems there is a lot more room for both of these countries to step up to the plate with more meaningful contributions.
 
snowhunter said:
Invading each others airspace is a great sport for all real and potential adversaries. The idea is to time how fast the other side can react to an intrusion of "airspace", and the bonus from such "airspace" intrusions is also to find "holes" on the other sides radar coverage. I am sure that the greek Air Force, also "violate" turkish airspace from time to time.

One former NATO fighter pilot told me that he often scrambled and was vectored several times to indentify "intruders", but by the the time he arrived, the "bad" guys were gone...

I do not believe that Greek and Turkey will in the forseable fight a shooting war. Couple of years ago, a small and disputed, uninhabited island was occupied by one of the either side's commando's, luckely forgot which one, and both NATO, EU and perhaps UN also, "read the riot act" to the offender, who quietly and quickly removed its commando's from this island...

Still not a word of what happened to the former greek cypriot President, Tassos Papadoupolus remains that were removed from his grave last week ?
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His remains were not stolen, just his grave was tampered with.
 
purple said:
Re post #144. If anything threatens to break up NATO it is the disparity of contributions to NATO ISAF in Afghanistan. All NATO nations are represented to one extent or another-if only to keep their seats at the NATO council and enjoy the related economic and political benefits.
We now have a multi-tiered NATO where a few countries,notably the US,the UK,and Canada and even the Dutch, are doing the heavy lifting and the dying while the rest seek points for just being there with national caveats to restrict their troop employment. Back in the bad old days when we were lined up against the Russkies we did'nt place any such caveats on our committments to Europe. Greece has "weighed in" with 145 troops at the Kabul airport,while the Turks have some 1750 on the ground running a Provincial Reconstruction Team and the Kabul Regional HQ. Seems there is a lot more room for both of these countries to step up to the plate with more meaningful contributions.
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Greece is also one of the few NATO members who apposed the move into Afghanistan. USA CANADA AND EVERYONE ELSE should be glad they got 140+ commandos to protect anything.
 
Re post #149. Remember that the fundamental principle of NATO is the agreement by all member nations that "an attack on one is an attack on all". So if a country is serious about enjoying the benefits of NATO,then taking a choice to not participate in assisting another member nation in a meaningful way is a self-serving betrayal of the NATO Charter.There's no such thing as being half pregnant on this one. Either you are in or you are out. Please understand that I'm not singling out Greece as a weak sister on this because there are plenty of others as well.
 
nikoinwinnipeg said:
USA CANADA AND EVERYONE ELSE should be glad they got 140+ commandos to protect anything.
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You are starting to lose credibility real quick. The rest of NATO is lucky!? ROTFLMAO! Pull 'em out, I don't think anyone will notice. On second thought, the rest of NATO will notice. There will be less chaos and disorganization. I have worked with many greeks on ships, and it was the most disorganized group I have dealt with. On every ship. Everytime. Everywhere.


As for purple's comments; couldn't have said it better myself!
 
Reply to post # 148.

According to www.newyorktimes.com article of december 12, 2009, "Grave robbers steal Cypriot Presidents remains", this article claims that the late President Tasso Papadoupolos remains has been removed from his casket, the day before the anniversary of his dead. A memorial was to be held of the anniversary of his dead.

Afghanistan, my 2 cents worth.

A british diplomat went in there in the 1820ties, and then warned Britain not to enter, which Britain did anyway in 1837, with 16000 soldiers and camp followers. Only one soldier survied to tell the story. Genghis Khan resorted to mass killings in order to "control" parts of Afghanistan. After 11 years of war, and over 15000 deads, Russian pulled out of Afghanistan, and the saga goes on and on. We all know that the russian defeated the nazi's in four years and the japanese army in Manchuria in tree months...

Will NATO do better than all the previous armies, who the last 2500 years, that all found out, that it was easy to get into Afghanistan, but getting out, alive, is a different matter...

I believe that we have to be prepared for a very long and expensive stay in Afghanistan, if we have to expect any real, positive changes in our favor.

My nephew is going back to Hellman for second time in the new year, and he was shot at 65 times, the last time he was in Afghanistan. He was impressed with the special forces actions, that saved their bacon in a tight situation.
 
Light Infantry said:
You are starting to lose credibility real quick. The rest of NATO is lucky!? ROTFLMAO! Pull 'em out, I don't think anyone will notice. On second thought, the rest of NATO will notice. There will be less chaos and disorganization. I have worked with many greeks on ships, and it was the most disorganized group I have dealt with. On every ship. Everytime. Everywhere.


As for purple's comments; couldn't have said it better myself!
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what are you #####ing about the 60,000 soldiers Canada has, they are soo well trained blah blah blah.

Man Greece has over 70,000 soldiers just surrounding Thessaloníki! you can fit 10 Greece's inside of Manitoba alone.

That being said I don't support our troops out in Afghanistan destroying the Afghans way of life. WE ARE CANADIANS not the bringers of hatred! and we need to get that into our thick sculls!



As for the Greek Cypriot presidents body I just re read the article in Greek and it states his body was removed. When I first read it it did not say anything about his body being moved.
 
In further regards to the situation in Afghanistan, is the cruel fact that the worlds need for illicit drugs has transformed Afghanistan into a mayor drug producer as well as distributer. We are all paying twice for the war in Afghanistan.

The drug lords of Afghanistan who are funding the Taliban, recieve their money from our drug addicts, so the Taliban can protect the drug trade, and then we pay again, by sending our soldiers to fight the Taliban...

It looks to me, that if we could successfully fight the drug trade at home and elsewhere, we could starve Taliban out of business ?

The other option we have in Afghandyland, is to colonize it completely....
 
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That being said I don't support our troops out in Afghanistan destroying the Afghans way of life. WE ARE CANADIANS not the bringers of hatred! and we need to get that into our thick sculls!
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So, which roto were you on? Just wondering, maybe I bumped into you while I was there.
 
mikeg81 said:
So, which roto were you on? Just wondering, maybe I bumped into you while I was there.
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I don't agree with our boys being sent there to die, so why should I go myself. All so among those 140+ Greeks at the airfield one just so happens to be one of my family members. Do I agree with it no I don't.

As good country's both Canada and Greece, we can work together as PEACE KEEPERS in the actual meaning. But like we all know there is a hidden agenda.

We harbor terrorist Muslims in the Balkans and we appose them in Asia Minor!
 
Well the UN "Peace Keepers" was unable to keep the peace Cypres, Middle East, Congo, to name few places where the UN Peace Keeper were reduced to powerless observers, due to servere shortage of manpower and heavy weapons, among others.

Which leave the warring players to do what ever the want, when ever they want or need to use lethal force against each other, and then obtain "peace through superior fire power ?"

Afghanistan is geograficly located on the crossroad of north-south and east-west expansions of various military poweres who wanted to dominate this region of the world. So far, the afghani tribes has the last 2500 years, defeated anyone who invaded their country. I believe that the afghani people is as independent minded as the swiss ?
 
Please clarify, by "destroying the Afghani way of life" do you mean the investment of millions of dollars in infrastructure and services like irrigation projects and dams in order to produce crops other than marijuana and opium which might benefit the nations people and not just the drug trade and the Taliban, or do you mean by helping the existing Afghanistan government to establish a system with stability and a few human rights for their citizens? Clearly you have a much better handle on this whole thing than the CF members how have enlisted voluntarily which are being sent over there to their deaths. So for our sake, please enlighten us on what this hidden agenda is so we can better focus on the actual job at hand when over there.
 
Gary D said:
Please clarify, by "destroying the Afghani way of life" do you mean the investment of millions of dollars in infrastructure and services like irrigation projects and dams in order to produce crops other than marijuana and opium which might benefit the nations people and not just the drug trade and the Taliban, or do you mean by helping the existing Afghanistan government to establish a system with stability and a few human rights for their citizens? Clearly you have a much better handle on this whole thing than the CF members how have enlisted voluntarily which are being sent over there to their deaths. So for our sake, please enlighten us on what this hidden agenda is so we can better focus on the actual job at hand when over there.
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Maybe we should kill another few million Afghans, so our contractors can build some damns irrigation, farms and various crops. because are way of life is so much better then theirs.

see there you go with that big ego, we are bringing civilization to the barbarians.

as for the ouzo, Greece has over 7 thousand years of history I don't see Canada catching up any time soon. Let me tell you something when your ancestors had just found the meat we were already spelling collestorini.
 
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