March of german prisoners in Moscow

Overland said:
The usual hateful lie.

There were two countries that are not recorded as murdering their prisoners of war - these are Canada and Germany.
Both honored the Geneva convention on the rules of war.

The Soviets showed their contempt for the Geneva contention by torturing the POWs to death.
Contempt for the Geneva convention is contempt for humanity, typical of communists, whether they be Soviet, Yankee or French.

They really showed it after the German armies were defeated, by murdering millions of Germans, both ###es, all ages.
http://www.serendipity.li/hr/bacque01.htm
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What a bunch of complete and utter nonsense! :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses

Revisionist history at its finest.... James Bacque is a joke of a real historian, reminds me of David Irving... (though, "Trail of the Fox" is a great read and one of his few non nutty books)

War is hell. Don't make any mistake about that. But to say that Germany (as a Nation) did not deserve what it got, is absolutely naive! Yes, what happened to Germany's civilians is a tragedy, but do you believe what happened to Russia's civilian population wasn't just as, or more horrible (when considering numbers)??? What about all those Russian POW's starved and worked to death?

I make no apology's for the way the Allies or the Axis powers conducted the war, or treated their adversaries. But to say that "Oh those poor Germans, they had it rough", is complete bullsh!t!

How about we keep the Milsurp forum for interesting Military facts, pictures, and firearms. Not for Political agendas.... :confused:
 
Originally Posted by Overland View Post
The usual hateful lie.

There were two countries that are not recorded as murdering their prisoners of war - these are Canada and Germany.
Both honored the Geneva convention on the rules of war.

The Soviets showed their contempt for the Geneva contention by torturing the POWs to death.
Contempt for the Geneva convention is contempt for humanity, typical of communists, whether they be Soviet, Yankee or French.
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Well you are partially right. The Soviets never signed the Geneva Convention, and as can be expected they never recognized or followed it. The German army hence did not follow the Geneva Convention as it related to Russian captured soldiers. Many in fact were killed in extermination camps, often through starvation. The total lack of civility by both warring factions made the eastern front extremely brutal.

Stalin did not care at all for captured Russian soldiers. In fact, many who were released after the war were sent directly to the gulag, very few survived. Any Russian soldier that was captured was automatically considered to have betrayed his country, so his life was worth very little.
 
Overland said:
The usual hateful lie.

There were two countries that are not recorded as murdering their prisoners of war - these are Canada and Germany.
Both honoured the Geneva convention on the rules of war.
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More BS from you.

This is only the tip of the Iceburg:


The Malmedy Massacre:

The Malmedy massacre was a war crime in which about 90 American prisoners of war were murdered by their German captors during World War II. The massacre was committed on December 17, 1944, by Kampfgruppe Peiper (part of the 1st SS Panzer Division), a German combat unit, during the Battle of the Bulge.

This massacre, as well as others committed by the same unit the same day and on the following days, was the subject of a trial during the Dachau Trials of 1946.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre
 
Reply to post # 181.

Well, it depends what kind of german you were after WW2, and you were treathed accordingly.

If you were a german, and on the Allied list for being wanted for your know how in advanced german technological field, like rokets, airplane designs, submarines etc, the Allies, including the russians, would lure you and spirit you away from the post war german gloom and doom, to safety with high pay.

Even countries, who did not participate directly in WW2, like Sweden, Spain, Switzerland, Argentina, benefitted from ex nazi german scientist. India's first jet fighter was also designed by Kurt Tank, albeit with a british engine.

Junkers Werke technicians, after being sent to Russia, designed the Tupulev 95 counter rotating propellers, among others. TU 95 is still operational with the Russian Air Force.

The Space Shuttle rocket engine is an enlarged V2 rocket engine. Assult rifles are of german origin. The nazi's pioneered the concept of space travel.


The B 2 stealt bomber has strong german roots. The Cruise Missile is also german origin, and list goes on and on, including advances in the medical field, like using metal rods to keep badly fractured bones together.
 
snowhunter said:
Reply to post # 181.

The Space Shuttle rocket engine is an enlarged V2 rocket engine. Assult rifles are of german origin. The nazi's pioneered the concept of space travel.


The B 2 stealt bomber has strong german roots. The Cruise Missile is also german origin, and list goes on and on, including advances in the medical field, like using metal rods to keep badly fractured bones together.
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Dont forget NASA's top guy was scooped from the Nazi's, Dr. Wernher von Braun.
 
Politicians and dictators of the world, need these scientist, as much as rest of us need our daily food and water. These particular scientist can make and break politicians who supports them with their war related science, and therefore the politicans bestow them with all kinds of honors. Von Braun has a number of high nazi and US honors, Henry Ford recieved honors and a high german medal from his admirer, Adolf Hitler.
 
Also interestingly, the head of the nazi-german intelligence service, never stopped working at the end of WW2, he and his staff, continued their works after WW2 as a german spy network working together with the CIA etc., I guess the value of this nazi-german spy agency was to valuable and important for the CIA to be dismissed.

One ex-nazi rocket scientist working for NASA, once said about the ex-nazi rocket scientist working for the russian space agency: "Our germans, are much better that their germans !" :)

To best of my knowledge, no german scientist was ever charged with any war crimes. Werner von Braun's rocket facility used slave labor, in which over 20000 of died, and von Braun is known for having ordered 12 slave laborers executions, when the rocket production slowed down. In one section of the
V2 production was so full of bad fumes, that slave laborers only lived two weeks. Altogether, under 7000 people were killed by the V2 rockets in Britain and Antwerp, Belgium, but tree times more people died producing the V2.

I read about the russians paying the german rocket scientist US $ 1200.- a month, in 1945, after russian agents had spirited them out of the US controlled zone of the devided Germany.
 
If the war with Germany had continued any longer, we might have
had Atomic Fried Fuhrer (Crispy) when they dropped the bomb.

But raids on the German uranium and heavy water production facilities showed they were far behind the American efforts. A comprehensive facility, secretly built in Los Alamos, was administrated by US Army General Leslie Groves and managed by civilian scientist Robert Oppenheimer. By 1944, they were developing an atomic weapon that would deliver a knockout blow to Nazi Germany.


http://worldwar2database.com/html/atombomb.htm
 
The Allied decided that the german rocket test center at Peenemunde had to be levelled, which the russian did, after removing anything useable, exept for the power station and a airport. However, if you google earth Peenemunde area, you can from space still see the many outlines of this german rocket research station, which are the birthplace of our space travel.
 
snowhunter said:
... and von Braun is known for having ordered 12 slave laborers executions ...
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Known by whom, and how do they know this? Certainly so many accusations have been made by various people against various people that it stands to reason that some false accusations have been made which are believed, and some true accusations have been disbelieved or had to be left as unproven.

What is your source for this one on Von Braun? He was interrogated and investigated after the war, and no action taken against him. That he was useful to his captors may have influenced this decision, but that also isn't proven. Many people who weren't any particular use were also cleared of such accusations.
 
I do not remember where I read that von Braun did order the execution of 12 slave laborer, but I did read that accusation of him.

Von Braun was also well aware of the 20000 slave laborers that died building his dream rockets, so were the americans, who hired him and his staff after WW2. Rest of these hypocritical events are history. The US needed this new rocket technology, and the poor humans rights record of von Braun and the other german rocket scientist was therefore ignored.

Other germans, with skills not needed by the Allied after WW2, was much less fortunate....

The legacy of nazi-german science lived on with our space adventures, the sweept and delta wings of jet planes, including the ill fated "canadian designed" Arrow jet fighter, which might as well have been designed by Blohm und Voss...among others.
 
Coyote Ugly said:
We can't forget German Beer and Oktoberfest!
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Oh that evil but tasty beer!! ;)

And tasty women!

german-oktoberfest-girls.jpg
 
Seems that we can all agree that the frauleins and beer are very fine. Oktoberfest in Munich is not to be missed. Big tents with 10,000 people in each one; drinking beer,singing,listening to Oom-pa bands and eating roasted chicken-and no fights!! Those girls are pretty impressive schlepping the brau in those big steins. I've seen some slender ones with 5 full steins in each hand-makes their muscles stand out all the way down to their glockenspeils!!
 
The nazi-german invasion of Poland and Russia was to kill it's people and give these "liberated area's" to germans. 26 millions russians was killed because of this attempt by the nazi-germans to gain "lebensraum" in Russia alone.

As stated earlier, the blame for the start and goals of WW2 in Europe has to be laid against the nazi-german political and military leadership, who came to the extremely wrong conclusion, that nazi-germany, after starting WW2, militarily also could win WW2.

Yes, the allied soldiers, as all soldiers do in wars, did rape german women. Yes, the nazi's did run dead and exterminations camps for jews and other "undesireables" (gypsies, homosexuals, catholics, slavic people etc) refered by the nazi's as "untermenschen" (subhumans)...

Yes, there was "Victors Justice" emloyed by the Allieds against the Nazi-Germany leadership, soldiers and general german population. Yes, there was mass deportations of 16 millions or more germans from Russian "liberated areas".

I am not surprised to learn if a million or more german POW's were killed by the western allies, and then covered up...

What Nazi-Germany started, was finnised by Russia and it's allies, at the expense of Nazi-Germany, who only did to Nazi-Germany, what Nazi-Gemany had done to Russia and the other peaceful and civilian countries around it...
 
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