Marine Leaders Explain Corps' Decision to Buy Army's New Pistol

hatman1793 said:
There were numerous questions surrounding the award of the US Army contract for the P320. Glock's submission is still the better pistol but they lost. The FBI got it right.
Click to expand...

That's subjective. Hell, they'd probably save a lot of money if they just called you and asked for your opinion instead of doing all those tests.

Glock people... f:P:
 
Before the tests were completed Sig was awarded the contract. That's a fact. Check it. Glock's appeal centered on that fact. There were other irregularities that Glock brought up on appeal but were ignored.

The Army issued directives about modularity knowing full well that that ability would never be used. Only used to exclude.
Technical issues & mistakes ensured the Army chose the Sig beforehand. All these issues are documented in the reports & appeals. Not "subjective" but factual. Where's your faux facts?
 
sailor723 said:
Anyone who thinks that any military procurement process results in the "best' of anything being selected is very naive.
Click to expand...

True but in this case they got it right and it was not even close. The Glock is an old design now wearing a new slide/frame and trigger group just to play catch up with a long list of decent striker fired pistols.

All the US Military really had to do is ask a few Glock fans up here in Canada and the cost of all the testing they did could have been saved.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
True but in this case they got it right and it was not even close. The Glock is an old design now wearing a new slide/frame and trigger group just to play catch up with a long list of decent striker fired pistols.

All the US Military really had to do is ask a few Glock fans up here in Canada and the cost of all the testing they did could have been saved.

Take Care

Bob
Click to expand...

Now that is highly subjective with no basis on facts. And I'm not even a glock guy.

As for the playing catch up with a new trigger group... at least none of them had a recal... er i mean voluntary upgrade for their trigger if you ever dropped them.
 
r34skyline said:
Now that is highly subjective with no basis on facts. And I'm not even a glock guy.

As for the playing catch up with a new trigger group... at least none of them had a recal... er i mean voluntary upgrade for their trigger if you ever dropped them.
Click to expand...

None of the M17 pistols did either. (Have triggers requiring a recal). Why anyone would care, up here in Canada, as to what the US Army or Marines decide to buy is beyond me. Christ our Gov't can't afford to buy our troops up dated pistols never mind decide on a fighter jet. Why some up here feel they have the inside track on what military's should buy for their troops is also quite beyond me. I guess we have the inside track on expertise in this area and they all reside on Gunnutz.

Some Glock owners buy a $600 gun and appear to adopt the company at the same time. From what I have read the Glock entry failed due in part to the absence of molecularity as well as on price. The Glock entry was not a better pistol. Likely no worse but certainly not better. In the end price likely was the determining factor.

There is nothing wrong with the M17 pistol and SIG is making a bundle on the design and will do so for a very long time. The 320 is now showing up more and more at IDPA matches as civilians jump on the design and is being adopted by more and more police departments in the US. If the Canadian Gov't was smart they would just adopt the M17 as well. Save a lot of money for the Canadian taxpayer and we would benefit from SIG's volume production runs of the M17.

Take Care

Bob
ps Love my 320X Five, pretty average pistol when compared to my PPQ Match but then my Match didn't win the US Army pistol competition but it did win my IDPA Club's Championship last fall by one second. Beat out a Glock 19! That must make it a winning design. :>)
 
Brutus said:
I am curious to know your shooting or hunting interests Thomas.
Click to expand...

How is that relevant to this thread? (It isn't.)

The OP deserves his privacy. If you want to ask a stranger a personal question, at least have the discretion to do it in a private message, rather than splashed out in the middle of an unrelated thread.
 
Canuck44 said:
All the US Military really had to do is ask a few Glock fans up here in Canada and the cost of all the testing they did could have been saved.
Click to expand...

They should have asked a bunch of Canadian 1911 fans what they thought, then they could have gotten themselves a real gun.
 
Well, that's the beauty of government procurement. The guiding principle has long been 'value for money', which means that the 'best' by rated criteria, is often outmatched by pricing. Training, parts and maintenance go a LONG way in procurement, though I'd imagine the modularity has a great deal to do with this win.
 
Wendell said:
How is that relevant to this thread? (It isn't.)

The OP deserves his privacy. If you want to ask a stranger a personal question, at least have the discretion to do it in a private message, rather than splashed out in the middle of an unrelated thread.
Click to expand...

It was just a civil question. He does not have to answer me either. Does not prevent me from asking now does it?
Have a nice day......
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom