Marlin 45/70GBL Guide Gun.

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Went to the range today to try my new to me 45/70. My shoulder hurts a bit right now lol. The gun worked fine but I couldn't hit anything. All my rounds were low and to the right of where i was aiming. I have to admit i had a hard time aiming with the stock sights, my eyes are not the best. Anybody else got any ideas, do i have a flinch? Maybe williams peep sights would be better?

Here are a few vids. I was shooting Remington Express 300g SJHP ammo. I was shooting at 8 inch Visi-shot targets at 25 yards away.


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Maybe try some aperture sights, or mount a low power scope.

Personally I do not like semi-buckhorn sights at all. I find they are "okay" (only just) out to about 50 yards under ideal conditions, and I can't hit squat with them farther out than that. Add a large front bead like they are usually paired with (instead of a nice fine post), and you get sights that are decent for bear protection at fifteen paces and not much else. I've run into these same basic sights on a Browning B92, Marlin 1895GS and Rossi Puma and I cannot for the life of me think why so many manufacturers put them on their rifles.
 
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I had similar issues with my 1895GS. Didn't like the stock sights. I replaced it with a Skinner aperture sight which works a lot better.
 
my guide gun did the same thing as shooting low. when i used a slow round like a 405g all purpose round(1200fps) the gun shot where it was suppose to. when |I sped things the gun shot lower. I did switch to a xs peep sight systemand it seems to shot better.
 
GTPAUL said:
Have you tried adjusting elevation on the stock sights?
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I did, i thought it may have been set for a further distance so i lowered it to its lowest point, cause i was only shooting at 75 feet, to be honest im not sure where it should be placed for that distance. Im new to this whole thing. Ive always been more into handguns which all had fixed sights for the most part.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Are XS ghost ring sights any good?
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Fantastic sights. I love them. Good sight picture, simple. The only negative is you need to mark the position with a pencil as you zero them as they use to flat tip screws to hold the aperature in place. You get goofed up and you have to start again.

The gun is great and will serve you well. You have to improve the sights however as a must. I shot the rifle once with the other sights and immediately got a replacement set.

Have fun.
 
geologist said:
I suggest shooting the rifle off of sandbags on the bench to sight it in an make sure that it can group ie, there is nothing mechanically wrong with it.
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I tried to rest the gun as you can see in the video, not off a sandbag but i held it steady, couldnt come close to what i was aiming at, i do believe that sights are having something to do with it as i couldnt aim with them very well.
 
Morpheus32 said:
Fantastic sights. I love them. Good sight picture, simple. The only negative is you need to mark the position with a pencil as you zero them as they use to flat tip screws to hold the aperature in place. You get goofed up and you have to start again.

The gun is great and will serve you well. You have to improve the sights however as a must. I shot the rifle once with the other sights and immediately got a replacement set.

Have fun.
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How much should a set of those sights cost you?
 
GunGuy34 said:
I tried to rest the gun as you can see in the video, not off a sandbag but i held it steady, couldnt come close to what i was aiming at, i do believe that sights are having something to do with it as i couldnt aim with them very well.
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The way you rested the rifle is not as steady as gunrests with sandbags. This eliminates most of the user error and isolates the rifle.
 
I think the problem was you couldn't see the sights very well.in the second video on the last shot I can see where you lift your head right before the shot.looked to me like you were trying to reaquire sight picture.those dark sunglasses wern't helping I think.either way thats way to much head movement -no consistant cheek weld right at the worst possible time.was also a lot of shots very quickly.take your time,breath,take a break after each shot-let the rifle cool-leave the action open .mine is scoped with a 45/70 lever evolution scope - from cabelas ?not at all expensive- anyway it will shoot consistant 1-1.5 in groups at 100 meters from a bench.dosn't seem to matter if its a gail force wind either with those heavy .405 gr's.guess what I'm saying is they are more than accurate at that range.
 
Nice gun! With the off-hand shooting, try adjusting and using your your sling as a brace for your front arm to settle the gun down.

I had good luck with a Skinner rear peep and a taller font sight blade on my Marlin 45-70.
 
The XS are very good. I made my own XS-type front sight from a "generic" front sight I got from Brownell's (not available any more, of course, due to the State Dept./ITAR crap) and ground/filed it to the profile I wanted:

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I put a piece of Scotchlite™ reflective tape on it and it really does stand out. I have a Williams 5D on the back but as others have said, the Skinner sights are good.

On my 1894 I have the same setup but I added a Burris Fastfire red dot. A bit finicky to sight in but has a nice low profile and the dot intensity is self-adjusting.

And yes, get yourself a good recoil pad (Decelerator or Kick-Eez), esp. if you plan to make up some stout loads! Looks like you're shooting factory "trapdoor" loads in the vid. Ben Hunchak ("MT Chambers") here on CGN or The Bullet Barn here in B.C. can set you up with good cast bullets.

:) Stuart
 
josquin said:
The XS are very good. I made my own XS-type front sight from a "generic" front sight I got from Brownell's (not available any more, of course, due to the State Dept./ITAR crap) and ground/filed it to the profile I wanted:

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I put a piece of Scotchlite™ reflective tape on it and it really does stand out. I have a Williams 5D on the back but as others have said, the Skinner sights are good.

On my 1894 I have the same setup but I added a Burris Fastfire red dot. A bit finicky to sight in but has a nice low profile and the dot intensity is self-adjusting.

And yes, get yourself a good recoil pad (Decelerator or Kick-Eez), esp. if you plan to make up some stout loads! Looks like you're shooting factory "trapdoor" loads in the vid. Ben Hunchak ("MT Chambers") here on CGN or The Bullet Barn here in B.C. can set you up with good cast bullets.

:) Stuart
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Im keeping all my brass as reading all these reloading threads is making me what to start the reloading myself.
 
The only recoil pads Ive really used are limbsaver, with a proper hold/mount you can shoot all day without feeling it. Just remember with any recoil-reducing pad/stock the key is to NOT pull it into your shoulder as this will defeat the recoil absorption. How is the overall quality/reliability of your GBL? Does it have all these factory defects I keep hearing about?
 
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