Marlin Levers, I've been reborn

[crazy_davey]

It sure is refreshing eh!



Curious as to where you fellas find all this old ammo, and what ever happened to Dominion ammo?

I have just collected over the years from friends, family, gunshows etc.. I really only like them if they are full boxes and original.

I kind of know the story of Dominion but I am sure I would get something wrong and someone here with more knowledge on the subject would have to correct me. I will leave it for someone in the know so it is right the first time, maybe H4831 or Ganderite?

 

[Dorian Gray]

OP, your moose rifle could be a 336 Marlin, in 35 Remington. They have considerable more power than a 30-30, but still light recoil and just as accurate. Long ago, in the meat hunting days of the great depression, a 35 Remington was a popular calibre among the northern trappers, where moose was the principle game.
I was lucky enough to get a 336 in 35 Remington that was made in 1957/58. When I got it a box with 19 shells in it, came with the rifle. The ammo was CIL Dominion brand, 200 grain KKSP (Kling Kore soft Point) bullets and the price written on the box from some country store, was $5.45!
Not saying the rifle had only fired one cartridge when I got it, but it is a possibility and in any case it obviously had been shot very little.
It was drilled and tapped for a top mount scope, so I mounted a vintage fixed power 4x Redfield. I sighted it in at 25 yards, went to 100 metres and a 3 shot group was only two hairs over one inch. This was with the old Dominion ammuition that came with the rifle. I now have dies for it, so when I get some bullets I will do some serious and enjoyable shooting with it. I will post chronograph records of the 205 grain cast bullets, when I get them.
I too, have owned and shot a few Winchester Model 94 rifles and there is no question, the old Marlin 336 rifles have a very much smoother action.

This answer is the winner. Don't bother with the rest of the thread. I'm sure not gonna.

 

[freddyfour]

Ya now all I have to do is find one!

 

[Johnn Peterson]

I have just collected over the years from friends, family, gunshows etc.. I really only like them if they are full boxes and original.

I kind of know the story of Dominion but I am sure I would get something wrong and someone here with more knowledge on the subject would have to correct me. I will leave it for someone in the know so it is right the first time, maybe H4831 or Ganderite?

Here, in addition to the .22's I posted earlier, are a couple of full boxes.

And a closer shot.

And a couple of part boxes.

 

[Dorian Gray]

Johnn, only 2 out of the 3 pics had moose in them. You're slippin' buddy!

 

[Rembo]

Not sure if you can say "vintage" and 336 in the same sentence.

This is a vintage Marlin...predecessor to the 336,...a Model 36 ADL from '47..in 30-30.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

Johnn, only 2 out of the 3 pics had moose in them. You're slippin' buddy!

That was bait. Just trying to get you to change your mind and read the rest of the thread.

I couldn't resist

 

[kamlooky]

There's just something of the looks of those old close bolt Marlin's that appeal to me eyes.
Dang kid has the barrel aiming in a safe way and fingers off the trigger too.
Ol' grandpa doing a good coaching job....

 

[freddyfour]

So I pulled the trigger on one! I looked at quite a few and just couldn't seem to connect on one for a while for one reason or another. I initially set out to get a nice vintage 50's-70's 336 but I just couldn't find the right one. Maybe I was being to picky, I'm not sure. In the end I went to other direction and bought a newer one, 2007 JM marked and still a full Marlin 336 35 Remington.

First thing will have to be new sights or scope, these Marlin sights suck. Other then that she will make a nice hunting companion for years to come I believe.

Pics:

 

[kamlooky]

Awwww, this thread needs a bump.
Here's my two.
Top in 32 win sp nee 1954 and the younger 30-30 born 1975.

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[freddyfour]

Yer 30-30 is sure purdy!

 

[kamlooky]

Yer 30-30 is sure purdy!

That old Redfield scope does a mighty fine job of corrall'in them there
bullets into a mighty tight herd too.
I don't tern me hind on her too often when the two legged folk are around.
Skeered someone is going to kidnap her.
That gal was sent to me from a trusted Gummutter's from t'other side of Kanerder.

 

[H4831]

At the start of this thread I said I would post some information on reloading the 35 Remington.
Firstly, I chronographed four of the original old CIL Dominion, with 200 grain bullets. They averaged 2050 fps.
Went to the Hodgdon on line loading charts. The maximum load shown for 4320, with the 200 grain Hornady round nose bullets, which I had on hand, was 38.5 grains, for a given velocity of 2020.
However, this load gave me only 1900 fps, so I went to 3031 powder.
Hodgdon's maximum shown load was 37.5 grains of 3031, for a stated velocity of 2110 fps. However, this load gave me an average of only 1907 fps.
I upped the powder by increments, until I had an average velocity of 2010. This was still not a heavy load, being 100 fps slower than Hogdon's state they should be going with 3031 powder, and a duplicate of the old Dominion factory loads. Preliminary shooting gave the appearance of having good accuracy, so I will stick with that load for a while, at least.
As a point of interest, it is pretty hard to see pressure signs when loading for lever action rifles, where maximum pressures run up to only the 35,000 range. This isn't enough to stretch the brass, show extractor marks, or any of that stuff. About the only thing one can look at is how much the primers flatten and this gives only a vague indication of pressure.
However, with this in mind, I purposely used Federal primers, because of their reputation, or maybe imaginative reputation, for being softer than other primers and should flatten more with pressure.
The primers on my load I settled on are still only lightly flattened with the Federal primers.
I hear by the grapevine that some feller has two Marlins, a 30-30 and a 32 Special and he has been throwing out some kind of challenge, to take on my two Marlins, my 35 Remington and my 1894 model 44 magnum. Just have to get some 44 mag ammo loaded up, in case he officially challenges me to his range near Kamloops, some place.
Can't really think he would challenge me, but you never know, he just might!

 

[kamlooky]

...........best you polish up dem dere pupils of yerzs.
I dare say the dare is on.
Heck, neyece feller that eye am, you can even set yer arse on the
red swivelly chair too.
Awwwww krap, this is gonna be good.......

 

[buckbrush]

the 94 is the most prolific of John Brownings Winchester Lever designs, and his worst. THE 86, and 92 are much smoother.

 

[freddyfour]

At the start of this thread I said I would post some information on reloading the 35 Remington.
Firstly, I chronographed four of the original old CIL Dominion, with 200 grain bullets. They averaged 2050 fps.
Went to the Hodgdon on line loading charts. The maximum load shown for 4320, with the 200 grain Hornady round nose bullets, which I had on hand, was 38.5 grains, for a given velocity of 2020.
However, this load gave me only 1900 fps, so I went to 3031 powder.
Hodgdon's maximum shown load was 37.5 grains of 3031, for a stated velocity of 2110 fps. However, this load gave me an average of only 1907 fps.
I upped the powder by increments, until I had an average velocity of 2010. This was still not a heavy load, being 100 fps slower than Hogdon's state they should be going with 3031 powder, and a duplicate of the old Dominion factory loads. Preliminary shooting gave the appearance of having good accuracy, so I will stick with that load for a while, at least.
As a point of interest, it is pretty hard to see pressure signs when loading for lever action rifles, where maximum pressures run up to only the 35,000 range. This isn't enough to stretch the brass, show extractor marks, or any of that stuff. About the only thing one can look at is how much the primers flatten and this gives only a vague indication of pressure.
However, with this in mind, I purposely used Federal primers, because of their reputation, or maybe imaginative reputation, for being softer than other primers and should flatten more with pressure.
The primers on my load I settled on are still only lightly flattened with the Federal primers.
I hear by the grapevine that some feller has two Marlins, a 30-30 and a 32 Special and he has been throwing out some kind of challenge, to take on my two Marlins, my 35 Remington and my 1894 model 44 magnum. Just have to get some 44 mag ammo loaded up, in case he officially challenges me to his range near Kamloops, some place.
Can't really think he would challenge me, but you never know, he just might!

That's to bad that she doesn't get the listed velocities it is supposed to. I wonder the box of Leverevolution that states 2225 fps is accurate? I have to order some loading supplies if I can find any and I would like to be able to hit the 2100fps range.