marstar delux m14 mount

The Cocker

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I bought one of these marstar mounts( please no you get what you pay for stuff). I'm trying to install the part of the mount that goes into the stripper cip guide.....the pin that you tap down into receiver from that part of the mount won't friggin budge....Are these supposed to be easy to tap in? do I have a defect? or is it supposed to be a #####?

The stock norc one when I took out the stripper clip guide just tapped right out.
 
Make sure you have to correct size punch. A nail or other weak thing will not work. Yes it is rather hard to push at times. The correct tool helps.
 
I installed this same mount and had a hard time as it came with no instructions, and I had no experience. I found some instructions on the internet for another similar mount and it helped. Do a search for something like "install M14 scope mount" or something like that. I found tolerances on the mount to be very tight in terms of mounting it on my M14. The retaining pin you refer to does require a punch. And be sure to punch it outwards from the inside of the reciever out, not into the inside of the reciever! On my rifle at least, getting the mount to slide into the stripper clip guide retainer was very tough, requiring me to use WD40 repeatedly and lay my rifle down on it's side on a 2x4 and hammer it vigorously with a heavy hard rubber mallet. I was actually concerned it would split the reciever it was so tight. Once in, I put in the new little retaining pin it comes with and tightened the two allen head screws. I felt at this point the two screws were a bit redundant as the whole thing was soooo tight. I think I could have set it up on a .375 H&H and it would not have moved. Then I set up the rest of the sight, which went easily. Once I was sure everything was centered and it looked good from all angles, I marked where everything was, took the mount back off the rifle (obviously not the crazy tight stripper guide part) and cleaned off all the lubricant the mount came with. Then I reassembled with a generous amount of red loctite on all applicable parts. I reassembled as tight as I possibly could (including an extra 1/10th turn with huge vise grips on the knobs) and re-inspected and then let the whole thing sit for 48 hours. It all seemed rock solid, and after my first day at the range it still seems like I could jump on it and it would not shift. Good luck.
 
damn i just bought one this sounds like its gonna be a ##### thanx for the advice though guys
 
I cannot even tap that pin out from the bottom or top...the damn thing is stuck in there, I ended up bending it slightly. The dove tail tolerance is not as bad on mine. I can slide it in by hand. At this point I havent even been trying to hard to get it into the receiver....just the pin out of the dovetail part of the mount. Thanks for info northman.
 
I installed this same mount and had a hard time as it came with no instructions, and I had no experience. I found some instructions on the internet for another similar mount and it helped. Do a search for something like "install M14 scope mount" or something like that. I found tolerances on the mount to be very tight in terms of mounting it on my M14. The retaining pin you refer to does require a punch. And be sure to punch it outwards from the inside of the reciever out, not into the inside of the reciever! On my rifle at least, getting the mount to slide into the stripper clip guide retainer was very tough, requiring me to use WD40 repeatedly and lay my rifle down on it's side on a 2x4 and hammer it vigorously with a heavy hard rubber mallet. I was actually concerned it would split the reciever it was so tight. Once in, I put in the new little retaining pin it comes with and tightened the two allen head screws. I felt at this point the two screws were a bit redundant as the whole thing was soooo tight. I think I could have set it up on a .375 H&H and it would not have moved. Then I set up the rest of the sight, which went easily. Once I was sure everything was centered and it looked good from all angles, I marked where everything was, took the mount back off the rifle (obviously not the crazy tight stripper guide part) and cleaned off all the lubricant the mount came with. Then I reassembled with a generous amount of red loctite on all applicable parts. I reassembled as tight as I possibly could (including an extra 1/10th turn with huge vise grips on the knobs) and re-inspected and then let the whole thing sit for 48 hours. It all seemed rock solid, and after my first day at the range it still seems like I could jump on it and it would not shift. Good luck.

Good write up, let us know how it seems after a few hundred rounds. I can't think of any reason that NOBODY could make a good mount other than the few big players...seems like a pretty simple machine to me.
 
I had to hammer the part that replaces thestripper clip guide as well.It definitely didnt fit properly,but it is in tight now.When I tightened the knobs,the rail was not centered.It required lots of adjusting.As Hungry says,it really is a fine art to properly mount a scope on an M14.Once I finally got it centered properly,I also used the red loctite.I havent had any problems,400 rounds later!!
 
Northman999 said:
... I found tolerances on the mount to be very tight in terms of mounting it on my M14. The retaining pin you refer to does require a punch. And be sure to punch it outwards from the inside of the reciever out, not into the inside of the reciever!

Mine is not a MARSTAR mount. It is a John Masen, and uses the cip guide for a second point of contact. The little pin dropped out the bottom easily.

Northman999 said:
On my rifle at least, getting the mount to slide into the stripper clip guide retainer was very tough,

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Yup! The hammer marks are there to prove it.

Northman999 said:
requiring me to use WD40 repeatedly and lay my rifle down on it's side on a 2x4 and hammer it vigorously with a heavy hard rubber mallet. I was actually concerned it would split the reciever it was so tight.

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If you have to apply THAT much force, something is not right. File or grind the mount, before you put undue stress on the receiver.

Northman999 said:
Once I was sure everything was centered and it looked good from all angles, I marked where everything was, took the mount back off the rifle (obviously not the crazy tight stripper guide part) and cleaned off all the lubricant the mount came with. Then I reassembled with a generous amount of red loctite on all applicable parts.

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Good idea.

Northman999 said:
I reassembled as tight as I possibly could (including an extra 1/10th turn with huge vise grips on the knobs) and re-inspected and then let the whole thing sit for 48 hours.

OUCH!!! Too tight is telling you something! The screws are hopefully softer than the receiver and you could have easily snapped the shank inside the hole. Finger tight with loctite should be about right.
 
i have no ideas about the norc, but when i mounted the spring generation 3 on a real spring m14, all i needed was a punch and soft faced mallet- drove out the pin from the top after removing the bolt took about 20 minutes
 
Well the steel punch bent slightly, the pin did move out of the hole AT ALL, and the pin ended up bent by the time I was done.....that f**kin pin is stuck in there real good. That's just the part of the mount that goes into the dovetail. I'm only trying to get the pin out of that part, I havent even tried getting it into the receiver yet.....stupid thing. I'll ask marstar for another pin and see if I can find a machinist or gunsmith to get that pin out.
 
mle,

I wasn't really trying to give a great instructional on how to do a mount job professionally; I just wanted to tell what I did as it seemed to work for me. I'm not an expert on the M14 or M14 mounts, but I did get mine to work fine and I didn't see any other posts offering anything. My advice is always take it or leave it. I know I was pushing it with my tightness, but after all the posts out there about M14 mounts sliding around, I wasn't going to have mine do it. If it was going to fail, I'd rather have a catastrophic failure on my workbench right off the bat, rather than as I watch my moose for the year hightail it into the bush as I hit dirt because of a bad mount.

The Cocker,

Sorry man, sounds like you really got the crappy deal there. A gunsmith or machinist should be able to drill out that little pin without damaging the reciever. They might also have some other way of doing it, but that's all I can think of.
 
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