Marstar's Chinese SKS's

If you can ask for the bladed model which is older and seems to be better quality. Romours have it they were made on Russian machinery before they started cutting corners with the spike bayonet.
 
ChrisSinc said:
If you can ask for the bladed model which is older and seems to be better quality. Romours have it they were made on Russian machinery before they started cutting corners with the spike bayonet.
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China began building it's own after 1956. The blade bayonet was dropped in the 1966-67 period, probably due to a preference for the longer spike, also used on the Type 53 (M44 Mosin). It could also be argued that the spike increased the reach of the bayonet for PLA soldiers.
 
Yea the design of the spike bayo is supposed to cause massive bleeding in that once it enters the body it tears flesh open the rest of the way.
 
The triangle pattern of the newer bayonets create a triangular puncture wound as apposed to a slit. The triangle is next to impossible for a field medic to patch up.
 
I have read somewhere that they have new medical foam that will fill a wound and stop-up such injuries, but I don't know anymore about this.
 
Yea in the last hundred years we have moved further and further away from combat at those ranges (not that is doesn't or wont happen). Its just very difficult to get a soldier to actually stab someone, the greater the distance, the more one is able to kill. Hence more bullets and smaller and less deadly bayonets.
 
Maxable said:
The triangle pattern of the newer bayonets create a triangular puncture wound as apposed to a slit. The triangle is next to impossible for a field medic to patch up.
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Now that's just mean.... :-(
 
Sorry, the one gun I was thinking of had a triangle style bayonet. My Mosin along with the SKS has a star like pattern. Just as hard to stich up i'd say.
 
I suspect that a deep puncture would be far more likely to be a problem than superficial skin sutures.
 
suprathepeg said:
Yea in the last hundred years we have moved further and further away from combat at those ranges (not that is doesn't or wont happen). Its just very difficult to get a soldier to actually stab someone, the greater the distance, the more one is able to kill. Hence more bullets and smaller and less deadly bayonets.
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You would be surprised to know that this isn't the case, and in fact a British unit of Scots Guards managed to pull off a text book Bayonet charge against Iraqi soldiers in Iraq a year or two ago.

Also I'm sure the SKS bayonet and the AK bayonet saw ALLOT of action in Vietnam. And Urban warfare which IS the modern battlefield is all about up close and personal.
 
Calum said:
You would be surprised to know that this isn't the case, and in fact a British unit of Scots Guards managed to pull off a text book Bayonet charge against Iraqi soldiers in Iraq a year or two ago.
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Not at all surprised, I would be surprised if many people or any at all were actually stabbed. I know the example you are using and it hardly applies to my point. In short they were facing off against a known weak, unmotivated, and unloyal force who was really not interested in the thought of being stabbed. The charge dispersed the Iraqis without shooting them, thereby winning the battle with minimal bloodshed.

And Urban warfare which IS the modern battlefield is all about up close and personal.
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Here is another misconception, for example how many bombs and artillery did the Isrealis drop in their latest little flair-up? Area weapons are still as important in CQB as they are elsewhere its just how they are employed that matters. I don't have a ton of FIBUA training but so far what I do have has yet to include fixed bayonets.

When people are stabbed in combat the overwhelming majority is done by very good soldiers who are able to handle the psychological implications of stabbing someone and it is almost always from behind and in the kidney with the knife in hand, not affixed the rifle. In the day where the average soldier carries over 200rds of ammunition into combat the need to use a bayonet is greatly reduced; especially when it is faster the change a mag then affix the bayonet.
 
Calum said:
You would be surprised to know that this isn't the case, and in fact a British unit of Scots Guards managed to pull off a text book Bayonet charge against Iraqi soldiers in Iraq a year or two ago.

Also I'm sure the SKS bayonet and the AK bayonet saw ALLOT of action in Vietnam. And Urban warfare which IS the modern battlefield is all about up close and personal.
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did the El Salvador(ians?) try this as well? I thought I remmeber hearing about them getting up close and persoanl with some Iraqis.
 
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