I agree completely that manufacturing takes a long time to figure out, and that the mix of guns from Turkey likely ranges from terrible right up to pretty darn good. The trick is doing the research to make sure you're getting one from the "pretty darn good" pile. Buying a good used B gun is probably a good suggestion, particularly if one is a heavy user like the OP. Maybe not as important for someone like me who would be considered a lightweight user by comparison.
Masai Mara anyone heard of them?
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I agree completely that manufacturing takes a long time to figure out, and that the mix of guns from Turkey likely ranges from terrible right up to pretty darn good. The trick is doing the research to make sure you're getting one from the "pretty darn good" pile. Buying a good used B gun is probably a good suggestion, particularly if one is a heavy user like the OP. Maybe not as important for someone like me who would be considered a lightweight user by comparison.
In regard to a used B gun, I'm not sure if that's a category of refering to Browning, Beneli or Beretta haha in anyways I've had in mind to buy an OLD Browning Auto 5 and refurbish it a bit (duracoat and changing parts that are too worn out) but in the other hand the cost of old one are similar to some new one.
Just wanted the feedback on this model from the few comment related to this topic it seems ok for the feel but not much feedback on the reliability.
Based on the volume and reliability I need, I am also considering an over under (I have one too beautiful to take out in the swamp) something like the Browing Cynergy, CZ Swamp or Canuck.
Any thoughts on these models?
I'll probably make another thread if this gets confusing.
Thanks for the feedback
Just wanted the feedback on this model from the few comment related to this topic it seems ok for the feel but not much feedback on the reliability.
Based on the volume and reliability I need, I am also considering an over under (I have one too beautiful to take out in the swamp) something like the Browing Cynergy, CZ Swamp or Canuck.
Any thoughts on these models?
I'll probably make another thread if this gets confusing.
Thanks for the feedback
Falconflyer
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Your comment about the Turkish guns ranging from terrible to pretty darn good is something I've been saying for some time as well as your comment about buying a used B gun. B guns are just consistently better, not perfect in every instance but much better in general.
I've owned 3 or 4 Turkish guns now to date and two of them had problems right from the factory so the track record isn't very good even though the problems were minor and fixable, but then I don't mind tearing a gun apart and fixing things that a lot of other people wouldn't.
gunsaholic
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Worth it again depends on what you plan on using it for. If for high volume, then no, save your money and buy something designed for that purpose, especially if you want to keep it long term. If for hunting where it will see limited use, then they are worth the price point, unless of course you get one that has problems out of the box. For the heck of it, I acquired a new in box Stevens 555 through a trade deal 2 summers ago. This gun so far has seen very limited hunting use and a few pasture clays. For the price point, I am quite pleased with the gun and so far no issues. But make no mistake, this is not a high volume gun and I have no intention using it for high volume. I have better built guns for that. If I hadn't acquired it through a trade that benefitted me, I would not have gone out and bought one. Bottom line, really give consideration as to what your intended use will be. And, as has been mentioned, if resale is a factor, you will lose big time on a lower end Turkish gun.
1963beretta
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You dont need to spend $2k for proven quality autoloaders. Browning Silvers and Winchester SX2’s SX3’s and now SX4’s, just to name a few, can regularly be found for less then $1000. Much better choices in my opinion. Im not trying to discredit Turkish guns...I own a couple myself and really like them...but when you are shooting over 500 ducks a season, you’re putting a lot of rounds down the pipe. A quality gun will no doubt last longer. But based on the fact that the OP says he only cleans the guns once a year, I suspect he’s not looking for a lifetime gun and wouldnt mind a firearm that may potentially be disposable
leveractionjunkie
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I wouldn’t bother wasting time or $ when there’s Remington V3’s, Browning Silvers, Winchester SX2’s SX3’s and now SX4 available out there.
My 2c
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Mostly looking for the best quality for the price, my SA-08 I knew wouldn't be reliable at some point but still was well worth the 5 years I've had with it. It is getting tired but has proven more reliable than the SBe2 from my friends. This year we all had issues (incl. SX4) so I start to wonder if an over under isn't the way to go at least for late season when it is cold, guns start to be dirty.
As far as cleaning I take good care of my guns and mostly wanted to say I don't want a gun I'll need to clean in order to function properly, this is a tool and you shouldn't need to polish the hammer before using it each time.
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1963beretta
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I’ll have to agree with 3macs1...all semis will eventally fail if they aren't kept clean. I also clean my guns after each outing. There is no reason why all the guns started failing other then for lack of cleaning/maintenance. Maybe you’re into something by shooting an O/U
leveractionjunkie
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I will mostly agree with 3macs as well. If you wanna run a semi it’s gonna need a bit more love than the others. I would be tempted to torture test the versamax by not cleaning it as it is easily the simplest action I’ve seen. But every mechanical device will fail without proper maintenance, and the cleaner and better maintained machines are the longer they run.
Falconflyer
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You can compare to a new semi if you want but we're talking about used B guns and good used ones can be had for half that much or less so to answer your question, yes and no. And I have an Sa-08, but is it the same quality as an $1k semi B gun, nope, mine has 400 trouble free rounds through it too but I don't expect it to last thousands of rounds and that's not what I bought it for. Mine is a goose pit gun, one that gets beat up and muddy and I don't really care if it gets wrecked before it has a thousand rounds through, I wouldn't feel the same about a new $2k semi or even a used $1k B gun.
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I have a few friends who have been shooting wood stocked 1100's in 2 3/4" for waterfowl for many years, no issues with reliability and have no problem limiting out.
They do regular maintenance with them but don't throw them around either.
I take the same guns into a waterfowl blind that I do in the fields after sharptails and roosters, some of them are over 100 years old .
I also don't throw my tools around hen I was working in my trade.
I give my tools the same respect as my guns.
Cat
They do regular maintenance with them but don't throw them around either.
I take the same guns into a waterfowl blind that I do in the fields after sharptails and roosters, some of them are over 100 years old .
I also don't throw my tools around hen I was working in my trade.
I give my tools the same respect as my guns.
Cat
Sounds like you should look hard at a decent pump gun. Benelli Supernova is worth considering, if it stands up to my buddy's abuse since 2007 it should be able to take most. Only man I know who has literally used his shotgun as a canoe paddle. He does clean it twice a year though, once before and once after season other than that a blast of wd40 when it gets wet followed by some oil is pretty much all it sees.
Cold weather and oiled guns don't go no matter what, if you can't be bothered to degrease for cold weather hunts no action type will spare you malfunctions.
