Masai Mara anyone heard of them?

40 some years ago in the New Glasgow K-Mart, I walked up to the sporting goods counter to find my dad had a shotgun stripped to the bones as the pimple faced sporting goods guy looked on in horror. When he asked me what I thought, I told him I really wanted an 1100 or A5 like every other kid that dreamed of waterfowl.

"Nonsense!" was his reply "This thing has got the best of both designs only more thought out. Look, there is just nothing to go wrong here and the fit and finish is above excellent."

I didn't know what I was looking at but anything was a step up from a single shot Cooey that broke open every time you fired it if you weren't holding it right.

After thousands of trouble free rounds of Imperial magnums and many hours spent with a hunting partner that worked tirelessly keeping his 1100 running, I came to realize what dad had known all along; brand name and price does not determine quality.

Engineering the the perfect mouse trap may take years or even decades but reverse engineering and copying does not. That SKB from 40 years ago was made in Japan by some craftsman that understood quality and machining. It is still running today and has suffered more abuse than the law should allow.

Speaking of Japan, the nicest B gun I ever owned was made there as well. It was made in the era of the rusty Toyota but only a fool would paint an entire country with the same brush. The Browning Maxus I hunt now fits like a glove but it would never get by the quality controllers at SKB or Miroku for that matter. The stock to receiver fit is barely okay and I spent hours fitting the recoil pad properly. The trigger group looks like it would drop right in my old SKB but it is mostly plastic of course instead of finely machined metal. It does go bang, that is after the first year when a phantom, unrepeatable "click" occurred at the least opportune times.

And not to pick on B guns, but the 828u??? The ejectile dysfunctional O/U that answered a bunch of questions nobody will ever ask.

My point to this is that good and bad can come from lots of places. The Masai Mara, for all intents and purposes, appears to be a clone of the Benelli flagship Ethos. The Ethos is a fine shotgun that I had the pleasure of owning but moved down the road due to a couple of minor annoyances, that being the Benelli click and it's inconsistency in ejecting light loads in cold weather. According to reviews the Masai Mara has corrected both of these annoyances.

For field loads and pheasant hunting, there probably isn't a nicer auto loading shotgun than the Ethos but it is pricey. If the Masai Mara is in fact made off the same design as Ethos, it could be a fine shotgun in spite of what is coming out the doors of other Turkish factories. With the right recipe and ingredients a cake can be baked in any bakery and be equally delicious.

Another example of this is the fine Hardy reels now coming out of south Korea. Are they as good as the English made originals? No, they are actually better, as modern computerized machining leaves no room for error and can consistently produce finer tolerances. According to reviews the Retay factory where the Masai Mara is produced is as clean, modern and efficient as any Italian plant.

Anyway, I don't own a Masai Mara so my opinion should be ranked right up there with everyone else who has never owned one. It may very well be junk but I would like to try one or at least read some real reviews from owners. I don't think anyone doesn't get some bonus enjoyment from owning a prestigious brand name but sometimes the price of owning that brand name is unrealistic. I'd love me a Cadillac but drive an Impala, it is what it is.
 
I run my semi mostly dry. I might go with an old Auto-5 or the Masai Mara which is the main purpose of this thread and if all else fail it'll be an over under.
Thanks for your feedback.

IMO if you donot have the time to take your gun apart or cannot do your own repairs leave the old auto 5 where it is.
On the Masai Mara we are 5 pages in now and has anyone chimed in that they own one
I find that interesting if the reviews randy did as an example hold true or did I miss a post from an owner
Years ago when we started to talk about the sa08 the pages were full of new owners
Why the difference I wonder. If you want to be a test case cool . Me I normally like to wait for at least a couple of years to see and hear some real life feedback
All the best
 
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"And not to pick on B guns, but the 828u??? The ejectile dysfunctional O/U that answered a bunch of questions nobody will ever ask."



I've never considered Benelli's to be one of the B guns even thought the name starts with a B. And I think that when people say "get a B gun" , Benelli is not generally what they have in mind but I do agree however with your assessment of the 828U....
 
Its the budget version of Benelli. A Turkish firearm with great quality; and gets the job done. I think they are probably a prudent decision for someone whom couldn't afford the Benelli shotgun.
 
But the 828u's have had their share of trigger problems as well as being too light for a dedicated target gun. The moving breech is hard to clean and in my opinion is the overly complicated answer to a non-existent problem.

Over the years, there have been many attempts to make a semi auto O/U clay target gun. There are a significant number of shooters that would be interested in purchasing these who have problems with recoil. To name a few ... Cosmi, Butler, a couple of Berettas/Benelli and Browning Recoiless. None have really proven to be successful.

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The 828U is an o/u gun.
As for the break action auto's, I've shot the Beretta UGB25 and didn't care much for it although the recoil was quite soft. I don't see them listed on Beretta's website so I'm guessing they were met with less enthusiasm from shooters than expected.
 
Over the years, there have been many attempts to make a semi auto O/U clay target gun. There are a significant number of shooters that would be interested in purchasing these who have problems with recoil. To name a few ... Cosmi, Butler, a couple of Berettas/Benelli and Browning Recoiless. None have really proven to be successful.

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Am I missing something? A "semi-auto O/U" ? Isn't that a contradiction in terms.
 
The 828U is an o/u gun.
As for the break action auto's, I've shot the Beretta UGB25 and didn't care much for it although the recoil was quite soft. I don't see them listed on Beretta's website so I'm guessing they were met with less enthusiasm from shooters than expected.

I got confused, lol. I associate Benelli with semi-autos and for some reason the 828U and the UGB25 merged in my mind, I guess the numbers and letters are too similar.
 
A fellow that shoots at our club purchased an Armsan semi auto, and the fore end would slide forward and jam the gun every few shots. After several frustrating attempts to shoot skeet with the gun, he finally resolved the issue, but the sad fact is, that for only $100 more, he could have purchased an SX-3 and avoided the issues. And if he ever requires parts, who knows if they will be available.
 
I normally don't bother any longer with these threads as I usually found it to be a waste of my time. Usually, the OP is looking for people to confirm that these inexpensive new guns are a good buy.

Today we had this discussion with a group of us over lunch. One fellow was new to shotguns and the other five us basically told him the same thing that I will relate here. If you are going to shoot any volume of clay targets with these inexpensive guns they will not stand up. They will break and you may or may not get service and parts. Then they will likely break the same parts again. Once you get it fixed again, you will probably try and trade it in on a "B" gun and you will find out it is worthless. With some luck, you may be able to sell it to someone that doesn't know any better. Some folks have the ability, skills and equipment to make their own parts and will get some value out of them.

From my perspective, if you only plan to shoot a few boxes of shells per year, then they will likely last you many years. If you want to buy one and shoot a fair bit, then, you should be prepared to throw it away in a couple of years. Why do they keep bringing out new guns every few years? Because the ones that have been available for the last five or so, have a bad reputation and don't sell any longer.

A fine example is the TriStar ... go on Trapshooters,com and read some of the information there.

I just hate to see people basically throw away a bunch of money that they could use to pay 50% or more of a good used "B" gun that with some care and lubrication will last them a lifetime or at least be worth what they paid for it in a few years.


This is it, in the nutshell.
Nothing one can add, you got everything covered!

I do know where mint, almost new Beretta semi could be found... at very competitive price.
 
If the Masai Mara is a decent gun, it will get shot by some dove shooters this year in the US and there should be reports from S. America on it, and no doubt some duck and goose hunters in this season which is in progress. Haven't seen anyone in Canada advertising them at all, I am doubting that the distributor has even been able to get any. Don't appear to be a lot of places in the US selling them either. They have not had the distribution or the usage to prove anything yet, one way or the other. I've seen reports of the dove guide outfits in S.America saying they can't get 100,000 shots out of A3 & 400's and the like,and praising the SBE, and vice versa. Keep an eye on places like the Refuge and Duck Hunting Chat and etc to see if you can even find threads on it first. I really haven't seen much worthwhile other than Wakeman's review on it, and he shoots Fabarms, that may tell you something as well. I had an SBE2, liked it well enough, had the click a few times. I have an A300 now, caught the bolt handle on the blind a couple of times when I used it, worse than the click. Nothing is perfect.
 
If the Masai Mara is a decent gun, it will get shot by some dove shooters this year in the US and there should be reports from S. America on it, and no doubt some duck and goose hunters in this season which is in progress. Haven't seen anyone in Canada advertising them at all, I am doubting that the distributor has even been able to get any. Don't appear to be a lot of places in the US selling them either. They have not had the distribution or the usage to prove anything yet, one way or the other. I've seen reports of the dove guide outfits in S.America saying they can't get 100,000 shots out of A3 & 400's and the like,and praising the SBE, and vice versa. Keep an eye on places like the Refuge and Duck Hunting Chat and etc to see if you can even find threads on it first. I really haven't seen much worthwhile other than Wakeman's review on it, and he shoots Fabarms, that may tell you something as well. I had an SBE2, liked it well enough, had the click a few times. I have an A300 now, caught the bolt handle on the blind a couple of times when I used it, worse than the click. Nothing is perfect.

In a semi just one was THE OLD SUPER X1
Cheers
 
Heard back from O'Dell last night about the Masai. They said they aren't available in canada yet but they're meeting with Retay this week about bringing them in. I replied back asking about pricing so I'll post here if I get a response.

Edit - heard back - no info on pricing yet but hopefully when O'Dell meets with Retay this week.
 
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When a good+ cond used B gun can be had on these boards for 1500 bucks or less I find it hard to understand why a guy looking for his first gun wouldn't go for one.
 
Agreed.

Sometimes people are pretty decided on what they want to do, and post this questions trying to validate their opinion. Advice to the contrary are frequently dismissed or ignored, we were all guilty of this at one time or another.
 
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