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[stormbringer]

Storm

I have already chatted with you about EESA charity match. I will be there for sure. Pre-payment is fine with me.

I know and that is not what I am talking about.

What I am suggesting is that most/all say level II matches be set up as prepay in advance. Say prepay openned up 2 months in advance. Then say a few weeks before it be openned to "online" sign up.

The only caveat to that would be that I think that only EMT would work. It would be bad if a match were prepay via mail and then openned up. The "cheque" might arrive a few days after the match was openned up and it might be full by then.

With EMT the MD would be able to know exactly how many people have prepaid and their slots would be taken.

This would be equitable as everyone would be able to prepay if they really wanted to make a particular match.

Regardless..........see you in Sept.

 

[euxx]

So I take it that my "prepay" solution is not sufficient?

I thought that it was a good idea.

BC seems to use it for most of their matches.

I was going to suggest just that. Prepay in advance and everyone else in two weeks before the match.

 

[euxx]

**off topic, but have to say,,,,Nice system EK,....this is the best system for posting results I have seen. thanks for setting it up.

Thanks Mo, appreciate that. I wish we could get results from other provinces in there... but unfortunately it is not up to me.

 

[maurice]

I hope other provinces read this and see how good of a system it is.....input of that information must be a full time endeavor.

 

[ckc123]

. So, there is nothing wrong to let some honorable shooter to shoot a match.
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So why should my squad run late (or the squads before me run late as well) cause the MD lets more people on a squad that the schedule has been set for???

the shooters all get punished when the schedule runs late cause too many people are on the squad than should be. most shooters don't spend 6+ hours at a range just to hang out. .they plan their weekend around a set time, and running late just messes that up.

try that with a level 3 match and see what happens when you run out of time during a day to shoot, or your squad is shooting and the rest are eating dinner..

your "There is nothing wrong" starts to seem like just a comment from someone who has not rrun a match before..

(and yes I thank every match director who puts every effort into running a timely match!! I know how hard it is to do..)

 

[hungrybeagle]

I know that out in BC, most matches don't need to use this, because we don't really have a lot of matches in places where there are limited shooting bays. Of course, the expectation is that everyone is on the range all day from 8 to 5 either shooting or working.

 

[maurice]

So why should my squad run late (or the squads before me run late as well) cause the MD lets more people on a squad that the schedule has been set for???

the shooters all get punished when the schedule runs late cause too many people are on the squad than should be. most shooters don't spend 6+ hours at a range just to hang out. .they plan their weekend around a set time, and running late just messes that up.

try that with a level 3 match and see what happens when you run out of time during a day to shoot, or your squad is shooting and the rest are eating dinner..

your "There is nothing wrong" starts to seem like just a comment from someone who has not rrun a match before..

(and yes I thank every match director who puts every effort into running a timely match!! I know how hard it is to do..)

I think he is making reference to regular level 1 and small level 2.

 

[euxx]

your "There is nothing wrong" starts to seem like just a comment from someone who has not rrun a match before..

My comment had nothing to do with the situation you describing. Please read it again, there is no reference to extending the squads.

 

[omen]

if someone wants to do an iphone or java app for smartphone (and even some not so smart phones) based signup, that might make life awesome for those not near a computer at all times.

*omen new feature request.

Take your iPhone or Omnia 2 or HTC Touch or whatever, click on Safari/Opera/IE/etc, and go signup online. There, no new feature needed.

Now, to try and help to answer the original (pretty fair) question:

In the early days, things were opened up months ahead of time, and it was awesome - I remember back in, I think, 2007, I booked my entire summer of shooting at once But, I actually showed up to these matches.. A lot of people pre-booked, and never bothered to show up... This was before the waiting lists and automated signup from them, so a lot of slots ended up empty, due to the noshows. So MDs got tried of this BS, and went back to a less notice, but greater chance that someone will show up...

There's a new feature in the system, now, we track late dropouts and no-shows, and those people can be marked for pre-authorization... So, after a couple/few more months I think we'll have a pretty good idea of who doesn't show up, and then matches COULD be opened up months in advanced, with people who had (say) 2+ noshows/late dropouts in the past 90 days having to leave a deposit or pre-pay or call the MD and promise to show up, or (whatever) to get authorized for the matches.

So, by, say, mid summer, I'm going to start to lobby the MDs to give this a try, where they see if they can open up matches ahead of time, and just ask for pre-payment from habitual no-shows. But, as always, it's up to the MDs to decide how they want to use the functionality.

There are currently, already, people in the system with 3 late dropouts/no-shows, and this has only been implemented few weeks ago!! I doubt anyone will shed any tears for shooters who find themselves having to leave a deposit in the future, because of their past actions...

One more thing - re official policies of the sections, etc... This system does not implement or enforce any section specific policies, it is not affiliated with any one section (or region, for that matter), it's up to the individual MD/admins to decide how matches will be setup/administered/opened/closed/signed up/etc in their club... Different sections might have different technical needs, and those are implemented, but are always optional (like the requirement to work the match, that was added for BC and PQ, but it's up to the MDs to use that in their matches)..

 

[stormbringer]

I doubt anyone will shed any tears for shooters who find themselves having to leave a deposit in the future, because of their past actions...

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What like the 3 individuals who dropped out of the EESA L2 match sometime between midnight last night and 6 am for a match that had at one point 10 people on each squads waiting list and now will have empty squads as a result of their ignorant behavior?

I had one other who will be a no show but he had the decency to call last night to explain that he had put out his back and could not shoot but would come by to RO if I needed him.

The other 3? Well having been up since 5 am setting up I am in no mood to comment!


Omen what is the trigger point for a "no show rating" for someone who removes themselves from a match? Is it 2 days? 1 day? 12 days or any removal at all?

 

[omen]

Omen what is the trigger point for a "no show rating" for someone who removes themselves from a match? Is it 2 days? 1 day? 12 days or any removal at all?

I just picked numbers out of thin air here, and it's all subject to change with enough interest from the MDs/etc, but at the moment:

email reminders go out 11 and 3 days before the day of the squad,

and "late" or "last minute" dropouts (I think I use both terms in the system and in the manual, for the same thing) are defined as less than 3 days notice. It's based on the whole day, ignoring the squad time within the day - so, if you're signed up for a squad on Sunday (any time), and you pull out on Thurs (the day you got your reminder, anytime before midnight), you're ok, but if it's Fri or Sat, it gets added to your list (everyone can see their list under the "all signups" page). If they pull out after the fact, it gets recorded as a no-show, rather than a late pull out but the two are treated the same, for the purposes of this system.
One thing which the system cannot track by itself is who doesn't show up... So the MDs need to go through the match, before deleting it, and mark no-shows. At the moment it has to be done on a shooter-by-shooter basis, because it fits the interface and admin functionality well, but I'll probably create a single screen per match, where the MD can checkbox a bunch of people at once, and just hit Submit once...

Once exception to this is if you pull out within a day of signing up, that's ok... For example, if you're a waiting list, you forget about it, and all of the sudden you get added to a squad you can no longer shoot, so you go and drop out right away, it doesn't count against you. Or if the match isn't full so you signup the day before, but then realize you can't make it and drop out, that doesn't count against you either. This was really intended to flag people who sign up long before, and then drop out close to the match.