Mauser claw type rings needed - with pics!

@sharkson:
this what you`ve got is a "suhler Einhakmontage" o.k. if you cannot find this in Canada I can help you out. watch in Internet under ( www.waffen-obermeier.de contact him about costs and so on...I know he has that stuff for sure ) I know this dealer in person and I visit him in the first week of January 2007 ( to pick up my Luger P08 ). So if you want I can bring your Item with me from Germany to Canada, if you pay the shipping costs from my Home (Alberta ) to you. I leave Canada on the 28 of Dec.and come back on 18 of January. So its your decision,
 
Nothing commercial available in claws/rear lock-up
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Hensoldt Wetzlar Diasta 4x32
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yes they are available commercially -- EAW makes them. However as has been discussed at length .. it is an expensive proposition getting them set up like your existing arrangement (soldered) ... there may be alternatives eg clamp/rail scope..

Hensoldt is a division of Zeiss ... they are good scopes; I believe Zeiss still sells Hensoldt branded scopes to the military/police market.
Zeiss may be able to help you.

Try:
Carl Zeiss Canada Ltd.
45 Valleybrook Drive
Toronto, Ontario M3B 2S6
* Main Office 416 449 4660

they "may" be able to help you..it is a long shot but worth the call.

Hensoldt/Zeiss scopes are very good. If the optics are coated and not badly scratched then I would not even consider changing out the scope. The lack of sealing is not likely going to cause you any problems...if it needs cleaning you should ask Zeiss who they could recommend ...there was a gentleman in Toronto who is technically very proficient (cleans binoculars, repairs cameras etc and specialized in Zeiss) ...I do not remember his name right now... but Zeiss may know
 
AP said:
yes they are available commercially -- EAW makes them. However as has been discussed at length .. it is an expensive proposition getting them set up like your existing arrangement (soldered) ... there may be alternatives eg clamp/rail scope..
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Thanks AP. I will contact Zeiss about this.

Also, I was given the impression that the claws/mounts are not standard sized, so getting the right size claw/ring combination would be difficult, especially overseas! Though, I will look into it further.

I am not interested in replacing the existing arrangement, other than keeping the bases. I'd like to us "standard" rings and a new scope.

RGG and Andreas, I'll do some more research this weekend and will contact you.

Thanks for the advice, all!
 
New pics - finally!

dan belisle said:
They are claw mounts, fairly common in Europe. Not a lot of makers on this side of the pond though. Check with Martini and Hagn in BC, they might have some. - dan
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Yes, I was referred to M&H as well. They are high end and were kind enough to get back to me with a quote of about $1,000 to modify my rifle with a new mount to accept modern glass. The usual job from scratch (new claw mounts on receiver) is about $1,400 apparently.

This was too rich for my blood for a 60 year old rifle, as sentimental as it is. I was lucky enough to find a local gunsmith (Nigel at Al Hobbs in Richmond Hill) who did the job of machining a custom rail for the top of my claw mounts (so the claw mounts are still usable by unscrewing the new rail). I put a new Bushnell 3200 on top and voila, a refurbished rifle with another 60 years ahead of it.

He also tuned it up for me with a Timney trigger/safety, barrel floated, new recoil pad, etc.

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I might have a set but won't know until I make some decisions.

Hell the scope I have looks like it might just about drop right in to your rifle...

Power is a bit high but it is a nice Zeiss 8x56 Diatal-Z T*

I'll see if I can post a picture...with some details. A USA fellow makes the claws...
 
That's a very clever setup...the weaver base will give you lots of options! Did Nigel drill and screw the weaver base/rail to the existing claw bases or did he manage to mount claws to the bottom of the weaver rail??
 
AP said:
That's a very clever setup...the weaver base will give you lots of options! Did Nigel drill and screw the weaver base/rail to the existing claw bases or did he manage to mount claws to the bottom of the weaver rail??
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He managed drill/tap/screw through the exisiting claw bases, so if I want to go back to the original scope, I can simply unscrew the base. He wanted to leave it as original as possible.

After the quotes I had received for new claw mounts, I was thrilled with his solution!
 
Many long dead and buried German Smiths are turning in their graves.....
 
### International said:
Many long dead and buried German Smiths are turning in their graves.....
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:D

Yeah well, I wanted new glass that wouldn't fog up. The original setup was fine for my Dad in the '60's and the scope always kept its zero. But, like I said, it's easy to go back to the original for old times sake.

Oh, and good thing those smiths are gone, would be a shame to upset them. They did great work! ;)
 
I think its too late they are likely grumbling already. They call Germans square heads for a reason...

You have to do what you have to do....
 
JoeP said:
I think its too late they are likely grumbling already. They call Germans square heads for a reason...

You have to do what you have to do....
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Well, my dad was old school German. I'm a little new-er school.

Nostalgia only goes so far with me. And hey, I did keep the original mounts usuable! Just couldn't find anyone to refurbish the old scope. So, you see, I was forced to alter Dad's old Schazy!

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I'm betting that those Burris "Z" rings have the offsets in them to zero the scope...if that is the case ... makes you really appreciate the effort the original smith went to in setting up that rig. I think you (and Nigel) have a very clever solution to a pricey challenge.
 
Not to worry. Refurbing old scopes like that is very hard since the people who have the equipment and parts are hard to find.

I have a drilling that needs TLC on the mounts. The owner tried to customize a system using the claws, but it fell short of the quality that the drilling was. Time is almost always an issue since time is money..

Hopefully one day you will be able to restore the mounting system.
 
AP said:
I'm betting that those Burris "Z" rings have the offsets in them to zero the scope...if that is the case ... makes you really appreciate the effort the original smith went to in setting up that rig. I think you (and Nigel) have a very clever solution to a pricey challenge.
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Yeah, the old scope only adjusts for elevation. Those claw mounts were a true guaranteed return to zero setup. Too bad the scope got old and was no longer adjustable.

I made a search for somebody to refurbish the old scope. One had retired and the other gave it up. Sort of like the old NASA Saturn V engineers are all retired or dead; plans are not so great without an experienced human who understood the undocumented ways of making things work on old machines!
 
any luck with this project- just picked up a gun with same scope and mounts- most clear glass iahve seen in scope i owl leupolds and zeiss conquest and this scope is nice.
check mine out do a surch for look what followed me home
 
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