Mauser help

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I have a mauser barrel/action/bolt and aftermarket stock that "may" fit...

I need someone to point me to instructions on how to properly measure so I can ensure I source the correct sized guts to make this a shooter

Also, anyone know where to get cheap parts to make this work? I'd prefer it to be a single shot, but if I have to make it a repeater, sobeit.


Note:
this is NOT a restore job, just making a sporter out of a surplus.

Thanks
 
Hello OP,

Some pictures would be very helpful. Are we talking about a 93 Pattern, 98 Pattern, or Intermediate Pattern Reciever? Is it 6.5mm Swedish, 7mm Mauser, 8mm Mauser, or 30-06? Are you looking to re-chamber it to another caliber? Feel free to PM me.
 
By and large, most military mausers were "controlled round feed" - and unless the leading edge of the extractor has been ground, then the thing MUST feed from magazine - was not designed, originally, to accept a single round dropped into the chamber. There is/was a "Score Hi" follower for Mauser 98 - sets the cartridge below the bolt centre line - below the extractor - then the case rim can slide up behind the extractor as the round is pushed forward into the chamber. As I recall, that Score Hi follower uses a "centre feed" concept - and therefore does not use the "feed lips" on the receiver. If your extractor nose has been ground, and if the person that did that left the length the same - will be "weaker" (less material) than an original NOS one - but will work to "snap over" a chambered round, and still engage the rim enough to pull the fired case back out. Some actions using that "single feed" idea had extra room cut out of right side race-way to allow that extractor to move to right to get over the rim - some Mausers do not have enough space for that - meaning single feed "made to work" by shortening the claw, besides grinding slope on leading face of it - which resulted in less engagement on the case rim.

I have a Mauser 98 here with a heavy barrel 243 Win barrel - would think that should be easy fix - Isreali's made bazillion 7.62 NATO from 8x57 Mauser 98 - they installed a block at front of their magazine box to accommodate that shorter round, but from examples that I played with, was no other mods that I noticed - same follower, other wise same mag spring, same box, etc. Would think same would happen using 243 Win, since case body is same as 308 Win - but not working - I can only get it to work, at all, by inserting a Score Hi single shot follower - that seems to work - but I can not get it to do same thing directly from magazine load - I suspect is something about the feed lips that are ground into the underside of the receiver, plus the timing when the 243 Win shoulder hits that feed ramp - which will be different than 308 Win - I think ...

An ongoing current project - I have a Parker Hale 1200 TX - made in 1969, I think. It is based on Mauser 98 and is a repeater in 7.62 NATO. Shown as such in Parker Hale 1970 catalogue. By 1976, that PH catalogue shows the Parker Hale 1200 TX Mk.III - now a single shot - no magazine at all - very different "guts" and "bedding" underneath that receiver - at least from the diagram. I am still trying to find a PH catalogue between 1970 and 1976 to find when they made that change - 1976 says it was "Mark III" - that would imply there was a "Mark II" and a "Mark I" previous to that, if PH was using the British military words - or might all be a marketer's B.S.

When you are looking to find a trigger, you might want to also consider the "cocking piece" that goes onto the firing pin - the trigger sear engages on the cocking piece - not directly onto the firing pin. Original "cheapest" military trigger and sear units used a cocking piece with "V" shapes on bottom - later Parker Hale and other commercial replacement triggers often want a "flat bottomed" cocking piece - is some examples on hand that someone attempted to weld the "V's" to be full, and then ground that cocking piece to be flat - I do not know enough about hardening metal, but I suspect such a welding job would require re-heat treating that cocking piece to make the leading face of it to be diamond hard - to resist wear of the sear dragging down along it.

There is a mauser "Shop Manual" by Jerry Kuhnhausen - a very good reference book, with a lot of "esoteria" about Mausers - no doubt is many other useful books - Ludwig Olson's "Mauser Bolt Rifles", for example - even 1950's books by Roy Dunlap has some neat tips - from the days when Mauser 98 milsurp conversions seemed to be the thing to do to get a "hunting" rifle.

Even the safety can take some thought - is several "modern" triggers that will have a slide safety that "blocks" the trigger from releasing - that will require some inletting into the stock to fit one in there - only the trigger sear is holding the cocking piece back. Original Mausers usually had an "over the top" safety lever - so usually straight to right was "on safe" and bolt was locked shut; then straight up was "on safe" but bolt able to be operated, then fully straight over to left and that was "fire" position. At least one country ordered their Mausers with safety the other way around - fully to the right to fire. Then companies like Timney and Dayton Triaster made "up down" two position scope friendly replacements that worked along the right side of the scope eye-piece. Parker Hale and FN had similar, but on left side of the scope. Parker Hale also made a slide safety/adjustable trigger unit that included an arm that came up through a slot in the receiver to "lock" the bolt shut, when that safety was engaged. I have installed one Gentry and one Dakota three position, horizontal swing safeties on a couple of Mausers here - they are three position - look and function similar to the safety on a Model 70 Winchester. All the safeties on the bolt, have about nothing to do with the trigger - on one that I installed, I replaced the "adjustable" trigger with a cheap, simple military one.
 
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I mean a Mauser will single feed by just resting a round on the follower, but the control feed doesn't always like it, and may chip your extractor.

If you have the parts, best is just to start trying to assemble it and find out where it is not fitting. Having measurements wont really help esp if you cobbling something together.
 
Hello OP,

Some pictures would be very helpful. Are we talking about a 93 Pattern, 98 Pattern, or Intermediate Pattern Reciever? Is it 6.5mm Swedish, 7mm Mauser, 8mm Mauser, or 30-06? Are you looking to re-chamber it to another caliber? Feel free to PM me.

TRR, See... this is exactly why I posted... I don't really know
I think it is 8x57. it is a large ring, so 98?
Do I need to measure something? receiver screw holes??

no rechamber.
In fact, I'd be delighted if it is a military 8x57 chamber with the LONG throat, as I have the 8mmMax mould and would like to develop a 250gr load for close range hunting
 
TRR, See... this is exactly why I posted... I don't really know
I think it is 8x57. it is a large ring, so 98?
Do I need to measure something? receiver screw holes??

no rechamber.
In fact, I'd be delighted if it is a military 8x57 chamber with the LONG throat, as I have the 8mmMax mould and would like to develop a 250gr load for close range hunting

The difference between a 96 and a 98 should be fairly obvious from the style of safety by itself.
You could also check out the Boyd stock site and look around at the various stock types made for the different actions. I seem to recall there were charts or diagrams with action screw center to center measurements. Might narrow it down?
 
By and large, most military mausers were "controlled round feed" - and unless the leading edge of the extractor has been ground, then the thing MUST feed from magazine - was not designed, originally, to accept a single round dropped into the chamber. There is/was a "Score Hi" follower for Mauser 98 - sets the cartridge below the bolt centre line - below the extractor - then the case rim can slide up behind the extractor as the round is pushed forward into the chamber. As I recall, that Score Hi follower uses a "centre feed" concept - and therefore does not use the "feed lips" on the receiver. If your extractor nose has been ground, and if the person that did that left the length the same - will be "weaker" (less material) than an original NOS one - but will work to "snap over" a chambered round, and still engage the rim enough to pull the fired case back out. Some actions using that "single feed" idea had extra room cut out of right side race-way to allow that extractor to move to right to get over the rim - some Mausers do not have enough space for that - meaning single feed "made to work" by shortening the claw, besides grinding slope on leading face of it - which resulted in less engagement on the case rim.

I have a Mauser 98 here with a heavy barrel 243 Win barrel - would think that should be easy fix - Isreali's made bazillion 7.62 NATO from 8x57 Mauser 98 - they installed a block at front of their magazine box to accommodate that shorter round, but from examples that I played with, was no other mods that I noticed - same follower, other wise same mag spring, same box, etc. Would think same would happen using 243 Win, since case body is same as 308 Win - but not working - I can only get it to work, at all, by inserting a Score Hi single shot follower - that seems to work - but I can not get it to do same thing directly from magazine load - I suspect is something about the feed lips that are ground into the underside of the receiver, plus the timing when the 243 Win shoulder hits that feed ramp - which will be different than 308 Win - I think ...

An ongoing current project - I have a Parker Hale 1200 TX - made in 1969, I think. It is based on Mauser 98 and is a repeater in 7.62 NATO. Shown as such in Parker Hale 1970 catalogue. By 1976, that PH catalogue shows the Parker Hale 1200 TX Mk.III - now a single shot - no magazine at all - very different "guts" and "bedding" underneath that receiver - at least from the diagram. I am still trying to find a PH catalogue between 1970 and 1976 to find when they made that change - 1976 says it was "Mark III" - that would imply there was a "Mark II" and a "Mark I" previous to that, if PH was using the British military words - or might all be a marketer's B.S.

When you are looking to find a trigger, you might want to also consider the "cocking piece" that goes onto the firing pin - the trigger sear engages on the cocking piece - not directly onto the firing pin. Original "cheapest" military trigger and sear units used a cocking piece with "V" shapes on bottom - later Parker Hale and other commercial replacement triggers often want a "flat bottomed" cocking piece - is some examples on hand that someone attempted to weld the "V's" to be full, and then ground that cocking piece to be flat - I do not know enough about hardening metal, but I suspect such a welding job would require re-heat treating that cocking piece to make the leading face of it to be diamond hard - to resist wear of the sear dragging down along it.

There is a mauser "Shop Manual" by Jerry Kuhnhausen - a very good reference book, with a lot of "esoteria" about Mausers - no doubt is many other useful books - Ludwig Olson's "Mauser Bolt Rifles", for example - even 1950's books by Roy Dunlap has some neat tips - from the days when Mauser 98 milsurp conversions seemed to be the thing to do to get a "hunting" rifle.

Even the safety can take some thought - is several "modern" triggers that will have a slide safety that "blocks" the trigger from releasing - that will require some inletting into the stock to fit one in there - only the trigger sear is holding the cocking piece back. Original Mausers usually had an "over the top" safety lever - so usually straight to right was "on safe" and bolt was locked shut; then straight up was "on safe" but bolt able to be operated, then fully straight over to left and that was "fire" position. At least one country ordered their Mausers with safety the other way around - fully to the right to fire. Then companies like Timney and Dayton Triaster made "up down" two position scope friendly replacements that worked along the right side of the scope eye-piece. Parker Hale and FN had similar, but on left side of the scope. Parker Hale also made a slide safety/adjustable trigger unit that included an arm that came up through a slot in the receiver to "lock" the bolt shut, when that safety was engaged. I have installed one Gentry and one Dakota three position, horizontal swing safeties on a couple of Mausers here - they are three position - look and function similar to the safety on a Model 70 Winchester. All the safeties on the bolt, have about nothing to do with the trigger - on one that I installed, I replaced the "adjustable" trigger with a cheap, simple military one.

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Re/follower. I'll see if I can source a Hi Score follower if I cannot find the guts I need to put this together

I have the fully assembled bolt, with safety/extractor etc. also the ejector/bolt stop.
I think all I need is the mag spring, follower, floorplate, triggerguard, action screws. If my stock won't work, I think I have a different one that might.
Intersurplus has some of the stuff I need, BUT IIRC, there are about 4 different lengths, so I do want to make sure I get the correct stuff

This is why I am wondering about how to go about ensuring I don't screw up.
 
I mean markings on the receiver will tell you what it is.

If the receiver diameter where the barrel threads in is 1.4" its a large ring, if it 1.3" its a small ring.

Large ring have a action screw length of around 7-7/8"

Before you order parts, you might want to know what it is. Saying Mauser is like going to a Honda dealer and be like I need Honda parts. Expect the what model etc..
 
^^ I thought the large/small ring action screws are same specs between M96/98 anyways Maybe my micrometer was out a bit...?

All original Mauser specs are metric so converting into imperial may throw off some measurements!
 
riversrest - I think some screws found on Swede Mauser accessories might be metric - however, I think most of the threads on an original pattern 1893 or pattern 1898 Mausers might be one or other of various English threads - the action screws, for example - are 1/4" by 22 threads per inch - most definitely not a metric thread, but neither UNC nor UNF either. I think the original barrel tenons were threaded with 55 degree V-threads - most North Americans use "standard" 60 degree without issue, but does not change what that original thread form was. It might have been from Whitworth series, or other nearly obsolete other English system.
 
Not quite following the OP's question, but with the full confidence of my internet personna here goes.

Model 98 Mauser Action Data (short and regular) (p. 117)
Weight 43 oz or 45 oz
Length OA 8.5" or 8.75"
Bolt travel 4.4" or 4.57"
Bolt body length 6.175" or 6.375"
Guard screw spacing 7.625" or 7.825"
Magazine length 3.225" or 3.320"

For regular length actions, receiver ring dia (p. 119)
large ring 1.410" dia
small ring 1.3" dia

from Frank de Haas "Bolt Action Rifles" 4th Ed.

For 92,93,94,95 and 96 model, more typing than I want to volunteer just yet.
 
For single round feed you could carve a block of hardwood that fits up inside the action where the magazine would be and has a sloped grove that will put the base of the cartridge & rim just under the extractor but high enough to pick up, the cartridge tip angled up into the chamber. Many of the old "Wehrmann" rifles that were built from Mauser 1898 actions for target shooting after WW1 were equipped with a wooden filler block as a single-load "magazine", although they used a rimmed cartridge with a different extractor.
 
OP - assuming that you start with a "standard" Large Ring receiver - action screws are 7 7/8" (7.825") - centre to centre - you will discover that various models had the little locking screw ahead or behind the front action screw - meaning both would fit - both will have 7 7/8" action screw spacing - but one type has longer nose than other. Becomes an issue when fitting to one stock - which is likely inletted for one or the other. I currently have a random Alpine brand 7x57 chambered barrel for a large ring Mauser. I have a random Mauser 98 receiver, likely from a Parker Hale Sporter. Another random Mauser 98 bolt that has been "sporterized" and made to be "scope friendly".

The bolt lugs do not bear evenly on the seats in that receiver, so I want to lap that in - which will set back that bolt slightly - as is, that barrel will thread on and then the chamber is too long when barrel snug - I can close that bolt, as is, with a .020" shim between the bolt face and a 7x57 GO gauge. So, will require some measuring and figuring out how to peel excess from rear of that barrel and that barrel's shoulder - to get the thing to snug up to the internal "C" ring inside the receiver, about the same time the barrel shoulder snugs up to the front edge of the receiver. Would be "old hat" to some, but first time for me.

Then to select a bottom metal - then a stock that will fit to that - or pick the stock first, then find the bottom metal that matches to that.

I intend to install a "Sportarget" rear aperture sight that is welded onto a military cocking piece, so I will have to come up with something for a front sight - which that barrel currently does not have.

So, there are still some of us that try to make serviceable "hunting gun" from mil-surp - helps to have lots of parts to chose from - short of that, really helps to have some sort of reference to know exactly what to order - is myriad of things that won't work out - due to differences among originals.

It would likely be to your advantage to determine what that thing is chambered for right away - might make difference in some components that you chose to source - I am thinking internal length of the magazine box, for example. I own milsurp Mauser 98 that were originally chambered in 7.65 Argentine, 8x57, and 30-06 - and no doubt there are many others. I also own Small Ring Mausers that were chambered originally in 7x57 and 6.5x55 , and one STIGA rifle that is a Small Ring Mauser, but chambered to 30-06 - likely originally a Model 94 Swede Mauser, before it was sold off as surplus.
 
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All remember, the original designation on all parts is metric, and not imperial by hometown gunsmiths, regardless what anyone says.

Its a fact :)
 
^^ I thought the large/small ring action screws are same specs between M96/98 anyways Maybe my micrometer was out a bit...?

All original Mauser specs are metric so converting into imperial may throw off some measurements!

Just quick measurements I took of my K98 when I was cleaning it. If the OP isn't gonna give us any info and expects us to use a magic 8 ball, why put much effort into it?
 
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