Mauser Trench Magazine

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I would like to try my Mauser 98 in a Vintage match, but the rapid fire would be a challenge without a bigger magazine. 10 shots in 45 seconds.

Anyone know if those repro mags actually work properly?

Anyone have one for sale, or know where one can be found?
 
I think Collector's Source has a Czech Mauser with the long magazine for sale.

I don't know mauch about them, except I thought I read somewhere that after ten rounds are into the magazine, there is alot of loading/bolt cycling resistance.

Heard this thirdhand though......
 
Ganderite - make up some dummy rounds and practice loading and firing at home. Remember, these are military bolt actions, they are meant to be cycled hard. You can get the hang of it.

Oh wait a second....you spanked me by 10 points the last time we shot a match together....don't practice anything, I need all the help I can get.
 
John Sukey said "You might want to try those five round strippers. They seemed to work well for the germans

Of course the proper solution is a Lee-Enfield."

I use strippers to re-load my SKS when competing against AR-15s and M-14s. But a scoped sniper rifle does not take strippers. I can load 5 or six rounds and then when they run out, single load. With my Mpisin Nagant I have no options, no big mag and no stripper clips. But a mauser might be changed to a 10 or 20 shot magazine. That is what I want to explore.

Yes, the Lee has a nice 10 round mag and that is what I am using right now. And it shoots very well. I calculate this 300 yard group to be around 1.5 minutes. Handloaded match bullets.

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I can't say about the repro ones because I can't afford one. Eighty bucks is a lot.

The ORIGINALS, however, I do know a bit about. There were 2 types for the Mauser, but they were NOT magazines; they were magazine EXTENSIONS. They used the mag-well in the rifle and the rifle's feed lips but they replaced the floorplate with an extended box, a fabricated follower with an integral hold-open and a super-long Z spring. One type made the capacity of the rifle 15 rounds, the other gave you 25. Originals are worth serious bucks and are extreme rarities. Out of about 15 that the International Military Arms Soc. was able to trace, 30 years ago, all but 4 were in national collections or war museums. You are not likely to trade into one.

That said, the repros are about 80 bucks last time I looked and I do believe that Sarco had some. These are the 25-round model.

Chargers (stripper-clips for those who don't have Sergeants' bite-marks on their posterior extremati) will do the job very well indeed. Mauser chargers are loaded in the only way possible, but there are several models and you need the right one for a 98k. As to Moisin-Nagant chargers, there must be about 40 ways to load the things BUT they only strip into the mag AND feed properly, if you do it the Russian Army way: _-!-_. The end rounds sit against the charger, the inner rounds sit on the inside rims of the outer rounds and the inmost cartridge sits on the inner rims of the inner rounds. It's like a pyramid, but that's the only way they work.

Good luck!
 
Ganderite, many moons ago I used to shoot the ten round DCRA match in 45 seconds with a single shot Martini. The RCO at first limited the other shooters, in an act of fairness to loading only five rounds in their Lee Enfields, but allowed them to reload the last five with chargers. The RCO soon changed that though and allowed them to use a full mag. With a little practise and proper ammunition loops on my wrist, as well as holding three rounds between my fingers on the left hand, I was able to keep up easily and score every bit as well as anyone else. That old Martini was a tack driver. I should never have sold it. But the price was right soooooooooooooooo.
The mauser would keep up easily with chargers, you just have to learn to aquire the targets faster in your sights. LOL. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, doesn't it?
 
10 in 45 seconds with a single shot! Wow!

I am playing with scoped rifles, so stripper clips are not a solution.

With a Mauser, you can't just drop a round into the action. It has to be stuck into the mag, so the exractor will pick it up. This is why I am asking about the repro trench mag.

I am very impressed withthe MN pseudo sniper being sold for around $700. I bought one from a CGNr in EE and it works well. Accuracy is promising with ball ammo. I shot it yesterday for the first time. It zeroed easily and I shot the 100 yard vintage matcehs with it. here is what the deliberate target look like. About 2 1/4".

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The scope is simple and solid. The scope base is brilliant and fool proof. Since it came mounted on the rifle, I am not sure what the mating surface looks like, but I assume it is curved to match the receiver. I am wondering if I could use this mount on any other military rifle?

Anyone tried it?
 
I see your predicament with the T. Mind you it wasn't designed for snap shooting. As for the mauser and its controlled round feed, you're absolutely right about single rounds. That's why I suggested chargers.

As for the 303 Martini and 10 rounds in 45 seconds, it took a lot of practise to get there. To tell the truth, I probably had an advantage over most of the others. That thing could really shoot. Because of my stature, that rifle could have been designed to fit me perfectly. The trigger was like glass breaking and quite light. We were issued IVI ammunition, so the primers may have been milspec. I never had one failure to fire. A couple of the other fellows tried it and liked it. They did very well, once they got the hang of it. Not really as big a deal as it sounds actually.
 
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Ganderite said:
I would like to try my Mauser 98 in a Vintage match, but the rapid fire would be a challenge without a bigger magazine. 10 shots in 45 seconds.

Anyone know if those repro mags actually work properly?

Anyone have one for sale, or know where one can be found?
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I have a repro -

It works very well -

So well I wont sell it - LOL!
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Ganderite said:
John Sukey said "You might want to try those five round strippers. They seemed to work well for the germans

Of course the proper solution is a Lee-Enfield."

I use strippers to re-load my SKS when competing against AR-15s and M-14s. But a scoped sniper rifle does not take strippers. I can load 5 or six rounds and then when they run out, single load. With my Mpisin Nagant I have no options, no big mag and no stripper clips. But a mauser might be changed to a 10 or 20 shot magazine. That is what I want to explore.

Yes, the Lee has a nice 10 round mag and that is what I am using right now. And it shoots very well. I calculate this 300 yard group to be around 1.5 minutes. Handloaded match bullets.

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Yes, those scoped rifles are nice, have 4
1931 trials T
two no4mk1T's
L42A1;)
 
That is the 20-round extension mag shown. Actually increases capacity of the rifle to 25 if you jam them in tight enough. Capacity off the rifle is zero rounds, as it has no retaining ribs or feed lips. You can't fill your pockets full of those and have 100 ready rounds, but they are sure nice once they are on a rifle. Mine is Bing of Nuremberg, same toy manufacturer that made the Luger drums, and it is original and it ain't fer sale.

Toy like that would work very well for what you want, even though it does weigh a ton when fully loaded. Feeding is Mauser-smooth and it does have a squared-off follower so you have a bolt-stop when she's empty: time to reload and reload and reload a bit more and then go again.

But it's not technically a MAGAZINE because it holds zero rounds.
 
Yep yep

smellie said:
That is the 20-round extension mag shown. Actually increases capacity of the rifle to 25 if you jam them in tight enough. Capacity off the rifle is zero rounds, as it has no retaining ribs or feed lips. You can't fill your pockets full of those and have 100 ready rounds, but they are sure nice once they are on a rifle. Mine is Bing of Nuremberg, same toy manufacturer that made the Luger drums, and it is original and it ain't fer sale.

Toy like that would work very well for what you want, even though it does weigh a ton when fully loaded. Feeding is Mauser-smooth and it does have a squared-off follower so you have a bolt-stop when she's empty: time to reload and reload and reload a bit more and then go again.

But it's not technically a MAGAZINE because it holds zero rounds.
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But technically it becomes a magazine as soon as it is attached to the rifle -
And not a magazine when removed. - LOL
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Hmmmmm---i wonder ----

About a bottomless feed lip mag in a semi M14 with a trench mag attachement for a 25 rd non mag.
Its the mag that is a prohibited device, but it is not a mag until attached.

Does it become prohibited when attached and non prohibited when detached LOL!
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I really don't know.

I think I would let the Gummint fight it out with the Kaiser.

These were removed from service on the Western Front early in 1917 and destroyed. My old friend Jack Snow (Newfoundland Regiment) saw some on Eastern Front German rifles as late as September, 1918. They were on the rifles carried by the German guards who were escorting him back to the POW clearing station at Heilsburg. German Army was pulling back out of Russia after the Brest-Litovsk treaty.... and Jack and his two buddies were on their way back to the cooler, where they did 3 weeks on bread and water for escaping!
 
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