@NABS I can't see any engraving saying that it's been re bored to 8mm, still says 6mm. But the 8mm rounds can be chambered and iif i take a caliper and measure the bore at the end of the barrel it's almost definitely an 8. very weird that it shows all evidence of a converted rifle without the stamp marks. could they have just forgotten to put them?
Mauser-Vergueiro > Can i use European 8X57?
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I have a really nice one, matching, that I bought from SIR years ago for $40. It is 8x57, but has the original 6.5 marking on the receiver.
I was trying to re-assemble a bolt for another one in my shop some time ago. My parts man walked in just as a spring took off at the speed of sound and bounced of the walls, floor and ceiling. He wouldn't come back in until I swore on two stacks of bibles that I was done with that (beep) thing. Then I read up on how to.....
I was trying to re-assemble a bolt for another one in my shop some time ago. My parts man walked in just as a spring took off at the speed of sound and bounced of the walls, floor and ceiling. He wouldn't come back in until I swore on two stacks of bibles that I was done with that (beep) thing. Then I read up on how to.....
My rifle is marked as 6.5 but has been converted to 8x57.
I have seen several others exactly the same.
Portuguese history lesson informative but possibly just a little biased. The Canadians, for example, also were regarded as not as good as the British (for a while), same thing with the Aussies, but I don't recall hearing of them deserting in droves or mutinying. There could be a germ of truth in some of the accusations.
It is entirely possible that Bitain had plans or proposals for divvying up the Portuguese colonies. At that time EVERYBODY hd plans for divvying up EVERYBODY's colonies.
Yes, the 'orrible Brits told Portugal to stay out of RHODESIA. They also very nearly got into a war with FRANCE over the FASHODA INCIDENT. Check it out some time.
And NONE of this goes to the point: Portugal bought rifles and ammunition from GERMANY but did not have a PLANT to build either rifles OR ammunition to fit the things. Simplification of the logistics at the Front was the main REASON for resupplying Portugal with SOME equipment. Much OTHER equipment (tin hats, gas masks, etc) was supplied to the Portuguese troops by the disgusting British because it was necessary and THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
6.5x58 Vergueiro cartridge had a DWM stock number of 457. DWM was the Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken which, believe it or not, was not a Portuguese company.
YES, Portugal took some horrific casualties, but it was German machine-gun fire and artillery that did them in, not some British plot. You want disgusting casualties, look at little Newfoundland: 92% of their entire Army killed, wounded or missing.... in 20 minutes. That war was Hell Unleashed Upon The Earth, nothing less. Out of my own family, 3 killed that I can think of offhand, a great-grandfather killed in an industrial accident (powder mill went bang).... and THREE still carried "Missing In Action"..... never found, not a scrap.
We must be very careful when we are reading history. EVERY writer (and that includes myself) inserts their own peferences and prejudices as a part of their writing. It is extremely difficult NOT to do so. You don't even need to use semantically-loaded adjectives; you can use semantically-loaded NOUNS or even VERBS and bias something all out of proportion. Example:
The British PLANNED the battle.
The British PLOTTED the battle.
The British SCHEMED for the battle.
Semantically, they are, in order, relatively neutral, negative and extremely negative ways of saying exactly the same thing.
But the War is over. Maybe now, 90-odd years later, we can stop fighting it and study it so we don't make the same awful mistakes AGAIN.
BTW, thanks for the reference; that is in my archive now.
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I have seen several others exactly the same.
Portuguese history lesson informative but possibly just a little biased. The Canadians, for example, also were regarded as not as good as the British (for a while), same thing with the Aussies, but I don't recall hearing of them deserting in droves or mutinying. There could be a germ of truth in some of the accusations.
It is entirely possible that Bitain had plans or proposals for divvying up the Portuguese colonies. At that time EVERYBODY hd plans for divvying up EVERYBODY's colonies.
Yes, the 'orrible Brits told Portugal to stay out of RHODESIA. They also very nearly got into a war with FRANCE over the FASHODA INCIDENT. Check it out some time.
And NONE of this goes to the point: Portugal bought rifles and ammunition from GERMANY but did not have a PLANT to build either rifles OR ammunition to fit the things. Simplification of the logistics at the Front was the main REASON for resupplying Portugal with SOME equipment. Much OTHER equipment (tin hats, gas masks, etc) was supplied to the Portuguese troops by the disgusting British because it was necessary and THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
6.5x58 Vergueiro cartridge had a DWM stock number of 457. DWM was the Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken which, believe it or not, was not a Portuguese company.
YES, Portugal took some horrific casualties, but it was German machine-gun fire and artillery that did them in, not some British plot. You want disgusting casualties, look at little Newfoundland: 92% of their entire Army killed, wounded or missing.... in 20 minutes. That war was Hell Unleashed Upon The Earth, nothing less. Out of my own family, 3 killed that I can think of offhand, a great-grandfather killed in an industrial accident (powder mill went bang).... and THREE still carried "Missing In Action"..... never found, not a scrap.
We must be very careful when we are reading history. EVERY writer (and that includes myself) inserts their own peferences and prejudices as a part of their writing. It is extremely difficult NOT to do so. You don't even need to use semantically-loaded adjectives; you can use semantically-loaded NOUNS or even VERBS and bias something all out of proportion. Example:
The British PLANNED the battle.
The British PLOTTED the battle.
The British SCHEMED for the battle.
Semantically, they are, in order, relatively neutral, negative and extremely negative ways of saying exactly the same thing.
But the War is over. Maybe now, 90-odd years later, we can stop fighting it and study it so we don't make the same awful mistakes AGAIN.
BTW, thanks for the reference; that is in my archive now.
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Maybe I should have highlighted it before.
All history is colored and slanted to some extend or the other.
I always liked to see how all the sides viewed the conflicted and not take the history solely from one side's perspectives.
All countries, governments and monarchies have done dirty deeds.
That's one reason we, the governed, need to be armed.
Further to the 1890 Ultimatum:
http://www.mod-langs.ox.ac.uk/files/windsor/6_pintocoelho.pdf
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Diopter: Agree ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!
Believe it or not, I was in a grocery store a couple of days ago, heard the young staff talking about Trudeau, "Canada`s Greatest Hero", thought to myself "WHAT have they been smoking..." and then realised that they are taught this dreck in their schools..... and it is represented to them as the TRUTH!
Old saying is that there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I am beginning to think that this should be modified into "lies, damn lies and what they teach in the schools".
Just checked my Vergueiro again to make sure: NO conversion markings at all. Hadta have an excuse just to fondle the beautiful thing. They are just so VERY slick.
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Believe it or not, I was in a grocery store a couple of days ago, heard the young staff talking about Trudeau, "Canada`s Greatest Hero", thought to myself "WHAT have they been smoking..." and then realised that they are taught this dreck in their schools..... and it is represented to them as the TRUTH!
Old saying is that there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I am beginning to think that this should be modified into "lies, damn lies and what they teach in the schools".
Just checked my Vergueiro again to make sure: NO conversion markings at all. Hadta have an excuse just to fondle the beautiful thing. They are just so VERY slick.
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