Mauser-Vergueiro Question

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Hi all,

I have a question in regards to the 1904 Mauser-Vergueiro. What I was wondering is if anyone has a Portuguese military issued 1904 Carbine or has a photo or two of one? I was doing some more research into these beautiful rifles and I realized that the original contract included some carbines (makes sense as most countries were still using cavalry at the time) and I can't for the life of me find a picture of one or even a drawing of what the original configuration looks like. I am also curious if anyone knows what happened to the original 1904 Carbines, where they sold off when they decided to adapt the 1904/39 standard or did they rebarrel them as well and adjust them to the 1904/39 standard (or some third completely different option)?

And since this is a thread about Mauser-Vergueiros I feel I will throw in a photo of my example of a 1904/39 (love to see others examples as well).

 




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video:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJO19wMn4nI

Interesting to see the rifle drill with the Vergueiros


Personally, I think the 6.5 carbines would have been logically first to be converted to 8x57.
 
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I have a original Espingardia Portuguese M1904 in 6.5 x 58. I picked it up in a small town Sask hardware store years ago. Its funny what can show up at some places .I'm finally getting around to getting brass converted to make this firearm usable again. Factory ammo, old Kynoch would cost dearly if I could find it. At the Brandon gun show, one dealer had one round for sale @ $16.00. My rifle has Mozambique district stampings on the stock. Its the same length I believe as the latter 8mm conversions. Mine looks identical to your pictures except for the 1904 doesn't have the protected front sight.
 
If it's still in 6.5, it will be a few inches longer than an 8mm. As far as I know, the number of actual carbine shipped to Portugal amounts to a trial batch and very few survive. Here is what it looked like

 
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IIRC the Portugese continued to use the Mannlicher carbines bought in the 1890s ,cal 6.5x54R, so did not adopt an MV carbine. They were making ammo for the Mannlicher as late as 1930.
 
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I was busily trying to put one back together years ago. My partsman walked into the room just as the pieces went flying. He refused to come back in until I swore on a stack of bibles I was done! :p

There is a trick to those bolts, so tread carefully!
 
desporterizer said:
If it's still in 6.5, it will be a few inches longer than an 8mm. As far as I know, the number of actual carbine shipped to Portugal amounts to a trial batch and very few survive. Here is what it looked like
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That is exactly the picture I was looking for thank you. Interesting how it has some similar features to things like the M94 Swedish or M93 Spanish Carbines (no bayonet lug, full length mannlicher style stock, bent bolt handle for cavalry use, I wonder how the rear sight is set up, it doesn't look like a ramp unless it is a small one). I was mainly curious because in my readings I noticed that the original contract included some Carbines but it didn't mention the number of Carbines involved.

Personally the Mauser-Vergueiro is one of my favourite rifles, very neat with a bolt that I personally feel is smoother than a Krag (without the worries of putting ammo too strong for the action). The only real failure of the bolt is the fact that it is the most difficult bolt to take apart I have ever encountered (makes a Steyr M95 seem like childs play).

For the 6.5x58 I am pretty sure the brass can be made out of 7mm Mauser or 8mm Mauser.
 
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I can & has been made out of 8x57 or if you are lucky enough to have some, 7x57. If you like pain, you can use .270 win or 30,06 too.
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I used to make up cases for my 6.5X58 from 270/30-06 brass by running them into an RCBS case trim die,a quick swipe or two with a hacksaw to cut off the excess neck then smooth off with a file and you are good to go.
 
Back when SIR was selling the 8x57 conversions, I had just got one and a fellow walked into my office with a paper bag.

Inside the bag was a Vergeuiro bolt..... in pieces.

There were no manuals available, nothing in Small Arms of the World and I did not yet have TBSA-1909.

I fretted and fumed with that thing for about an hour and then SPANGGG!!!!! parts everywhere.

Finally figured it out.

It is MARVELLOUSLY EASY.... once you know the trick!
 
Great accurate rifle in 6.5x58mm. /I reform .30-06 cases ....several little tricks..........as for the bolt, PLEASE , watch DIOPTERS u-tube video....... watch it several times,then watch it as you take YOUR bolt apart...........you will thank DIOPTER ......I did .
 
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